nobogez07 Doug Brown Webster, South Dakota (58 posts) Registered: 12/11/2012 05:38PM Main British Car: 1971 Mk II MGB coupe 1992 302 Ford H.O. EFI |
Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Though I've viewed DFI in a number of other 5.0L swaps I haven't seen one yet on a B swap.
Two primary reasons for entertaining this approach. 1. I don't have to deal with a dizzy the really is in the wrong place. 2. it makes hood clearance less an issue due to routing of the intake. Has anyone seen any other performance type gains from there use? |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Accurate timing is essential and it does improve performance. I have been toying with the idea of selling the plug with a drive for the oil pump for the Ford 302.
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nobogez07 Doug Brown Webster, South Dakota (58 posts) Registered: 12/11/2012 05:38PM Main British Car: 1971 Mk II MGB coupe 1992 302 Ford H.O. EFI |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Bill
You are very correct in that there needs to be a distributor driver to operate the oil pump. I have the Electomotive DFI system and would be happy to work with you on it. I had planned to cut a stock Ford distributor (with a steel gear) and locate it in such a way that it would drive the oil pump shaft. I'm sure exactly if that would work but that was the direction I was going to pursue. PM me to discuss. |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6470 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
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nobogez07 Doug Brown Webster, South Dakota (58 posts) Registered: 12/11/2012 05:38PM Main British Car: 1971 Mk II MGB coupe 1992 302 Ford H.O. EFI |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Very similar!! that's the part of DFI I wish there were a better answer for!
The long and the short of it is pretty much what you've displayed! I'd be happy to do some testing if you're interested in marketing the idea/ |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6470 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Not really Doug, that is just the drive for my 340. Too many other things on my plate. Feel free to use it. The sensor is a late Ford part.
Jim |
nobogez07 Doug Brown Webster, South Dakota (58 posts) Registered: 12/11/2012 05:38PM Main British Car: 1971 Mk II MGB coupe 1992 302 Ford H.O. EFI |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Hey Jim
That's a great offer and I'd like to take you up on that but I'd like to offer something to you for your efforts! If you need some pieces powdercoated any time in the future, let me know and I'll get them done no cost to you! Thanks again for the offer!!! That really does save me a lot of testing work! Doug |
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MGB-FV8 Jacques Mathieu Alexandria, VA (299 posts) Registered: 09/11/2009 08:55PM Main British Car: 1977 MGB Small Block Ford, 331 Stroker |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Doug, just go to a salvage yard and get the plug you need from a late model (1996-2001) Ford Explorer 5.0 Liter (302). The Explorer improved to the DIS system starting in 1996 and the distributor was replaced with a camshaft sensor via a modified distributor base; it's very short. Just what you need.
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WernerVC Werner Van Clapdurp Lynchburg, Va (108 posts) Registered: 09/06/2009 12:56PM Main British Car: MGB 1977 Rover 3.5 |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
I am working on something similar for my Rover V8 engine. It uses the EDIS ignition system from Ford and a crankshaft toothed wheel with sensor. The dizzy is replaced with a cut off dizzy and an aluminum plug on the top.
Parts are available in the UK. |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6470 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
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MGB-FV8 Jacques Mathieu Alexandria, VA (299 posts) Registered: 09/11/2009 08:55PM Main British Car: 1977 MGB Small Block Ford, 331 Stroker |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Jim, what application is yours? It looks like a GM fit as it doesn't have the extension for the oil pump drive shaft a Ford requires like in the photo I've posted a link on.[static.summitracing.com]
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6470 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
BOPR/SBB
(340 actually, could be BBB with a different gear.) If you notice, it has two blades, one steel and one brass for balanced loading on the thrust washer below and balanced weight. Jim |
MGB-FV8 Jacques Mathieu Alexandria, VA (299 posts) Registered: 09/11/2009 08:55PM Main British Car: 1977 MGB Small Block Ford, 331 Stroker |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
I can't help but ask; did you machine this? That looks like a fine engineered piece.....
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6470 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Thank You Jacques, and of course you are correct. I doubt anyone sells these.
Jim |
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Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
I use the XDI on my 400. I cut down a distributor and made a cap to drive the oil pump. My brother uses them on his GMC V12's and other engines including a Continental 1790ci tnk engine. We just laser cut a toothed wheel for the front. Easyt o set up.
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nobogez07 Doug Brown Webster, South Dakota (58 posts) Registered: 12/11/2012 05:38PM Main British Car: 1971 Mk II MGB coupe 1992 302 Ford H.O. EFI |
Re: Direct Fire Ignition & the Ford 5.0 L
Ryan
I'm using the Edelbrock Performer in conjunction with Edelbrock's Pro Flo 2 injection system. |