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pspeaks
Paul Speaks
Dallas, Texas
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Main British Car:
1972 MGB-GT 1979 Ford 302

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Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: November 04, 2013 02:37PM

As I live in Texas, air conditioning isn't really a luxury so I'm giving it some vary serious thought, probably Antique Air because I would like heat and defrost as well. Does any one have a source for a small condenser that will work with that unit? Not much room in front of the radiator you know.



Paul


britcars
Phil Ossinger
New Brunswick, Canada
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02/02/2009 07:58PM

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1977 MGB Roadster, Rover 3.5 ADVENTURE BEFORE DEMENTIA!

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: britcars
Date: November 04, 2013 07:55PM

Paul:
Try these forlks. Thy sell complete kits as well as accessories and condensors.

[nostalgicac.com]

[nostalgicac.com]



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mowog1
Rick Ingram
Central Illinois
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10/17/2007 09:36PM

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1974.5 MGB/GT 3.9l Rover

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: mowog1
Date: November 05, 2013 09:49AM

Nostaligic Air can put together a custom unit for you...I specified which Compressor, which condensor, etc that I wanted for my V8. The hoses come uncut and uncrimped...


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: November 05, 2013 12:44PM

I'm using the NAP condenser and accumulator/drier, seem like decent pieces at a good price. I plan to build an airbox for the evaporator sometime in the future.

Jim



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pspeaks
Paul Speaks
Dallas, Texas
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1972 MGB-GT 1979 Ford 302

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: November 05, 2013 01:29PM

I checked the Nostaligic Air site and really like their, MGB Condenser with Drier, Fan, Relay, Brackets, & Binary Switch, Part #44-7476, but though I've never tried it, I read where the fan mounted in front of the radiator is less efficient. Am I in left field here, or is it really a big deal? They do sell the same thing without the fan. for about $50 less.


Paul


mstemp
Mike Stemp
Calgary, Canada
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11/25/2009 07:18AM

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1980 MGB Rover 4.6L

Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: mstemp
Date: November 05, 2013 01:37PM

Paul,

Puller is always better than a pusher fan but ...A lot of OEM's have both.


pspeaks
Paul Speaks
Dallas, Texas
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1972 MGB-GT 1979 Ford 302

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: November 05, 2013 02:24PM

Now that's an idea Mike, I already have a puller, the addition of a pusher can't hurt can it! Thanks for all the advice everybody.


Paul



classic conversions
bill guzman

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: classic conversions
Date: November 28, 2013 09:58PM

Paul, I am installing of of their units, btw great people to deal with in all areas, the unit is well built.

As for the fan, the 10" mounted in front it will be used as an auxiliary and used only when needed.

If you have a fan behind the radiator is capable of cooling the system with the condenser , then it will be no need for the front fan, but nice to have just in case.

My 454 SS truck has the same set-up huge fan that is mechanical, soon the replace with an electric fan.
The system has 2 small electric fans mounted in front at one side of the radiator that come in at different temps. I have only heard one fan come in once and that was when the radiator fail (plastic tanks)


pspeaks
Paul Speaks
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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: November 28, 2013 10:50PM

Thanks Bill, I have a 22" Tru-Cool Aluminum Cross Flow Radiator and a 13" swirl fan that can be set to automatic or manual with a toggle switch; I would have preferred a 15" fan, but there just wasn't room. It may be a while before I add the other components, but I didn't want to remove the radiator again and do more cutting to get the condenser and dryer installed. Better to do it all the first time I thought. Does your front fan have a sensor to turn it on?


Paul


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bill guzman

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: classic conversions
Date: November 29, 2013 02:47PM

Yes it does, I think the instructions has the how to wiring. Rick Ingram. has one in his GT and many others. I saw one in TN and the AC really put out cold air. P.J. also has one in his GT and he loves his. He does not have have the 10" fan in front, he has just a mechanical fan.
All of them Vintage air.

You should be good to go Paul.

Not much experience with AC. But I have read the following:

The distance between the condenser and radiator is critical, same with the open space between the the two, that space should be seal with foam or any other material. The unit from Vintage air is already space as needed, it is made to fit the MG radiator.

I have since looked into several aftermarket AC install and factory units and 90% of them the space is filled to avoid hot air re-circulate.

I have not install mine, but just making sure I do it right. Still looking.


kerbau53
Geoff Morton
Naples, FL
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78 MGB Ford 5L

Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: kerbau53
Date: November 29, 2013 09:09PM

You have Old Air Products in south Ft. Worth.


pspeaks
Paul Speaks
Dallas, Texas
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1972 MGB-GT 1979 Ford 302

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: November 30, 2013 01:35AM

Thanks Geoff, I'll check them out. When I first bought my GT back in 1976 it had a dealer installed under-the-dash AC system with a York compressor about the size of the motor, and it worked great. AS LONG AS, you either used the AC, or drove the car, but not both. It would over heat like crazy, so, I took it off and sold it. Then later I installed a Suzuki system and it worked much better, but my ex-son-in-law messed it up. That's not the reason he's an ex, but it would have been enough for me. I hope I don't have another overheating problem, but I'm pretty sure my 302 is capable of turning the compressor much better than the little 4.





Paul


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Dan Masters
Alcoa, Tennessee
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1974 MGBGT Ford 302

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: danmas
Date: November 30, 2013 12:17PM

Quote:
I'm pretty sure my 302 is capable of turning the compressor much better than the little 4.

Oh, yes!


kerbau53
Geoff Morton
Naples, FL
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78 MGB Ford 5L

Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: kerbau53
Date: December 01, 2013 09:29AM

Paul,

I used Old Air Products evaporator and condenser. Hurricane unit requires a bit more cutting than Vintage Air Gen II. It does however fit on top of the transmission tunnel. I put a couple pics of install on my build journal.


hirot
Ian Hart
Ashbourne UK
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1971 MGB GT (conversion) Rover 3947 R380 gearbox

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: hirot
Date: December 06, 2013 01:12PM

Paul, not sure if what I have read is correct but when I was looking to put a puller fan in my GT I read a few threads which stated that you have either a puller or a pusher and not both. The reasoning was that whilst the puller is best adding a pusher in front of a puller can put no more air through than what the puller would suck ie they don't add together and they can even produce a resonance and you get less air. At worst the pusher is blocking out air that the puller could have sucked. It seemed to make sense.

I settled for two 9" high power puller fans which have got me through a 2 hour almost stationary traffic jam on the M25. I have louvres in the bonnet which lets the air out when moving below about 20mph and with the windows open you know when the fans come on. The engine temperature stayed at 85 with an outside temperature of about 21/22 c .

Ian



pspeaks
Paul Speaks
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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: December 06, 2013 01:58PM

Thanks Ian, I was kind of thinking that myself. I think two 9" fans side by side would have been better for me too to give the pulleys a little more room, and I might do that in the future. I woke this morning to a rather white and icy day here in Dallas, TX so I wish I was in Manchester where my daughter lives. Instead I'm going to spend the day in the garage tinkering with the GT. There's always something I can find to do, after all, it is a MG, but I love it :-)


Paul


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Ralph Ratta
China Spring, TX
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10/19/2012 11:04AM

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1980 MGB Rover 4.0

Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: K9RWR
Date: December 06, 2013 02:07PM

I installed the nostalgic A/C system in our 67 MGBGT a couple of years ago and it works great. I am also installing the same unit in my MGB V8 conversion with one puller and pusher electric fan. I think you will be happy with their unit. We also live in the Waco TX area so having A/C is really not an option if you want to drive it in the summer.


mstemp
Mike Stemp
Calgary, Canada
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1980 MGB Rover 4.6L

Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: mstemp
Date: December 06, 2013 04:07PM

Ian,

I have read the comments about the use of 1 pusher and 1 puller fans many times. Funny though if you look at many new cars from the 1990 and even today you will find this exact setup in use. I think the trick may be in having them not overlap the same area of the cores.

Mike


hirot
Ian Hart
Ashbourne UK
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1971 MGB GT (conversion) Rover 3947 R380 gearbox

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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: hirot
Date: December 07, 2013 04:08AM

Mike, that would make sense. From what I had gathered a problem could occur when the two fans were opposite each other or overlapping and I guess in the confined space of a V8 in the B the fans will more than likely overlap.

I settled for a fan either side of the original pulley set at the top of the radiator. I had the original MG yellow plastic fan and decided to not use it.

The other thing I have not as yet added is an oil cooler as it interfered with the bottom of the radiator and am still trying to work out where to put it. I was just thinking of getting a finned copper tube which would add a little more oil in the system and fastening somewhere out of direct line of the radiator....but where ?

The down side to the two fans is that if you use the V8 oil filter bracket, you can't change the oil filter without removing the oil pipes. So, another fun job is to move that somewhere.

Ian


pspeaks
Paul Speaks
Dallas, Texas
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Re: Air Conditioning
Posted by: pspeaks
Date: December 07, 2013 12:29PM

OK, it's now 20 degrees here in Dallas and I've abandoned the garage for the computer and a mug of hot chocolate. Got to get a bigger heater for the garage I think. Thanks to you guys I think I've got my HVAC system planned out with a pretty good parts list. I've been toying with the idea of installing my MG oil cooler (a new one with better hoses that is) but can't find a location I like either. There seemed to be plenty of room before the 302.


Paul



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