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engine swaps and other performance upgrades, plus "factory" V8s (Stag and TR8)

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Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: April 28, 2011 10:52AM

I am about to fit a Daimler 250 V8 to my '64 Spitfire. I am having a BMW 6 speed gearbox currently mounted to the engine and I have been advised to fit a Datsun SSS differential, which I have managed to find. Has anybody fitted a Daimler V8 to a Spitfire and if so can you give me any advice? Dick


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(2461 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: mgb260
Date: April 28, 2011 04:10PM

I have'nt but, would like to see pictures of your progress.


kick
Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: April 29, 2011 01:51AM

Jim, I have just had the BMW gearbox fitted to the Daimler motor and will collect it tomorrow. The engine is out of the original car ( This was a Datsun 1400 motor). The body work needs a lot of work as it has not been looked after over the years. I will load pics as and when I do stuff.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
(3188 posts)

Registered:
04/24/2009 11:02AM

Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: roverman
Date: April 29, 2011 06:04PM

Dick, My hemi is a "little" bigger,but should prove interesting, to compare notes. This being a 6.1L, Gen III mopar into 74" Jensen Healey. Good Luck, roverman.


DiDueColpi
Fred Key
West coast - Canada
(1365 posts)

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05/14/2010 03:06AM

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I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now!

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Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: DiDueColpi
Date: April 29, 2011 06:31PM

Come on now Art.
We don't talk about size in polite company.

Cheers
Fred


kick
Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: May 03, 2011 02:23AM

Although I was promised the engine & gearbox back on Saturday it wasn't ready! Is that a surprise or what. I will get back to you all as soon as I have some pics ready. Dick


djw090
David Witham
Warwick UK
(115 posts)

Registered:
06/12/2008 11:20AM

Main British Car:
MGB 1974 and MG ZT 160 turbo 2005

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: djw090
Date: May 03, 2011 08:26AM

How did they fit the gear box to the engine? Did they make a custom bell or just some kind of engine back plate?



BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(6468 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: May 03, 2011 10:55AM

I think it's way cool that you're using that engine. Looking forward to some photos.

JB


kick
Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: May 05, 2011 03:23AM

I'm not sure that size counts - because it is a Daimler!

However the way we are fitting the BMW gearbox to the Daimler motor is first off making a new backing plate, changing the starter motor to a Toyota Hilux as it is smaller than the original Lucas starter, making a new fly wheel and fitting the Toyota ring gear. A BMW clutch is then fitted to the new flywheel along with the smaller BMW bell housing.

I hope to get the motor back by Friday (hopefully this Friday 6th). I will post some pics as soon as I can. Dick


kick
Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: May 11, 2011 10:04AM

Hi Guys, I finally got the Daimler motor back today. They fitted a Toyota Hilux starter motor, Toyota ring gear and a Luk clutch assembly onto a newly machined aluminum fly wheel. The Hilux starter is considerably smaller than the Daimler Lucas one and the ring gear is a smaller diameter. This means he was able to machine a smaller back plate and make a smaller custom built bell housing. The gearbox is a 5 speed BMW 325 model.

I have had to take off the oil filter to place the motor, so I will in time need to modify that part. I will also need to shave about 4mm off the bottom lip on the chassis to allow the motor to drop done a bit further. It looks like the S.U. carbs and air cleaners will sit about 75mm, 3 ins, proud of the bonnet, so a modification might be required there.

This is my first attempt at attaching photos and I have placed 3 on the system - I hope it works. Cheers Dick


kick
Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: May 11, 2011 10:11AM

No success with loading pics, can anybody give me any pointers. I've tried loading off my windows pictures and directly from my Nikon camera and nothing seems to work.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/11/2011 10:13AM by kick.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(2461 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: mgb260
Date: May 11, 2011 01:19PM

Dick, They have to be in jpg format and can't be too large. Looking forward to the pics. Very cool little motor!


kick
Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: May 13, 2011 03:34AM

Sucess at last, I managed to download Windows photo viewer and work through that program. will load more later. Dick
spitfire 006 (640x426).jpg
spitfire 007 (640x426).jpg
spitfire 004 (640x426).jpg



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2011 03:52AM by kick.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
(3188 posts)

Registered:
04/24/2009 11:02AM

Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire/ NO size
Posted by: roverman
Date: May 13, 2011 11:26AM

Dear Curtis, inch by mm, I have offended a brudda of the north by mentioning SIZE, DiDueColpi ? Please remove all dimensional/bragging allegations from this webbsite, lest "someome" feel, measurably challenged ? Cheers, roverman.


Jonji
Jonathon Miles

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Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: Jonji
Date: June 21, 2011 06:06AM

Russ Carpenter is the acknowledged maestro of Daimler V8 tuning. He is developing a road kit for the Daimler 2.5 V8 with fuel injection and a supercharger aiming at 200+ bhp with standard compression ratio. Contact russcarpenter@btinternet.com



BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(6468 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: June 21, 2011 08:22AM

I have to admit, pulling 200 hp out of an engine that (physical) size using a blower does seem a bit... well, the word underwhelming seems to come to mind. It really does look good though.

JB


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
(3188 posts)

Registered:
04/24/2009 11:02AM

Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire/starter motor ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: June 22, 2011 12:32PM

This dinky giant IS so coool ! I could use one to start- my HEMI ! roverman.


Bill Young
Bill Young
Kansas City, MO
(1337 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 09:23AM

Main British Car:
'73 MG Midget V6 , '59 MGA I6 2.8 GM, 4.0 Jeep

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Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: Bill Young
Date: June 22, 2011 01:41PM

Dick, it really looks good. How much clearance between the pan and the steering rack do you have? I'd think you'd want to get the engine down just as low as possible in the chassis both to aid in bonnet clearance as well as for handling. Getting 200 hp from 2.5 liters isn't too bad, especially with the rather low stock compression ratio as I remember. If you have to open a hole in the bonnet to clear those carbs, then you might as well mount a supercharger like Jim did and really look the part of the "Blown Hemi"
Hemi.JPG


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Dick Allwright
Johannesburg
(9 posts)

Registered:
04/28/2011 10:41AM

Main British Car:
1964 Spitfire Daimler 2.5 V8

Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: kick
Date: June 28, 2011 09:52AM

Thanks for all the info guys. But one thing at a time. I have mounted the engine and gearbox and made special plates and mountings for the Datsun diff. I'm told that the Subaru diff is exactly the same. I'm now busy modifying the hangers to accommodate the Datsun wheel hubs, brake drums and the Datsun drive shafts. I hope the photos give a better idea as to how I am doing things. It is a slow process as I am trying to do everything myself with my own equipment.

DSC_0001 (640x426).jpg
DSC_0002 (640x426).jpg
DSC_0003 (640x426).jpg
DSC_0004 (640x426).jpg


8350: Shows front right engine mounting - not painted.
8351: Shows right engine mounting - I used the original Daimler bracket.
8352: Diff mounting - the unpainted plate is what I have made up.
8353: Rear diff mounting - note the painted bracket I had made up which supports the spring and the diff spring mounts I made.


triumphjam
Kevin Gill

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Registered:
07/01/2011 09:46PM

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Re: Fitting Daimler 250 motor to a Spitfire
Posted by: triumphjam
Date: July 01, 2011 10:09PM

WELL WELL

That is interesting, I did this swap back in the mid 80's in a Mk 4 Spitfire, it was road registered and was used for classic racing!

Daimler Dart motor and flywheel, using Dart box/bellhousing cut midway through the front bearing and adapted to the Saloon Triumph gearbox with STAG input shaft machined down to suit, with tailshaft shortened using O/dribe rear casting. Oil lines diverted to a front filter. Starter was standard, Alternater was Spit, turned round so it is in front of engine/belt. GT6 Radiator.

Even with the distributer shortened it still stuck through the bonnet(Brace modified) The Holley(390) also was through the bonnet.

It was fast, especially with cam, head porting and nitrous, went through plenty of diffs and axle universal joints/yokes, gearbox never failed.

I will dig out some photos and load them shortly.

Cheers
Kevin Gill
Wellington
New Zealand
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