socorob Robbie La (173 posts) Registered: 09/17/2009 04:42PM Main British Car: 1963 Sunbeam Alpine Series 2 Ford 2.8 V6 |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
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If you like the mazda mzr/ford duratec route(same block, both are Ford castings) it is very supported. There is even a formula atlantic racing series that uses that engine. I think it weighs under 200 pounds, and uses a crank cradle, if thats what you call it, instead of main caps, like F1 engines use. A 4 wont be as torquey as a 6 at low rpms but dohc can rev higher to make up for it.I do think they have a problem with head lift once you cross 450 hp, from what ive read. I dont know how Bergenholtz keeps them together with around 1300 hp. I think he ses the ranger bloc. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2013 10:42PM by socorob. |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6470 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Talk about expensive, that BMW S54 is easily double the 2JZ, and at least one of the toyo motors on ebay now for about $700. Intake on the wrong side yes, but that clears easier than the exhaust I'd say. But the Nissan RB has the intake on the other side and about the same cost as the toyo.
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HealeyRick Rick Neville (490 posts) Registered: 12/19/2007 05:01PM Main British Car: 1963 Austin-Healey 3000 Ford 5.0L |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Here's a description of the BMW swap I found here: [www.tr-register.co.uk]:
"I am in the final wrap up stages of installing a 1995 BMW M3 S50 Engine and Trans in my TR6. Sorry to those that are offended but I have been restoring these Brits for years and decided it was time to build up a great street performer. Originally I had investigated the typical V8 conversions but was not impressed by the engine bay modifications required as well as the relocation of the steering shaft/rack. No matter how you engineer the fit of a V8, you're going to have to modify the steering shaft at the very least and incorporate a couple of extra joints. Most also have to move the steering rack slightly forward as well or cut into the firewall. Neither of these options was acceptable to me. So, after several beers with a friend of mine who owns an independent BMW/Volvo repair shop, the old tape measure showed that the M3 engine would fit without any of these mods. Here what I had to do. First, accept the fact that you will have to do some wiring to accommodate the computer system. I chose the S50 M3 engine specifically because in the US, this was the only year that was produced with the OBDI software. The later models have a host of electronic and theft systems that would be a mother to deal with. Here are the mods I had to do to accommodate. Believe it or not, the engine and trans slipped right in. The only sheetmetal work I had to do was concave left the inner fender well to match the right side to clearance for the intake manifold. It looks factory. I made some very simple engine mounts out of square bar that facilitated pancake style mounts typically used in the hot rod industry. The left bracket on the engine worked perfectly but I did fabricate a bracket for the right side of the engine. The transmission mount was a simple piece of angle iron welded in the proper location between the frame members bent to accommodate the BMW mounts. The steering shaft fit perfectly right down the side of the engine and cleared the intake manifold no problems. I removed the a/c and power steering pumps and had to play around with several different pulleys to get them to clear. I think they ended up being Volvo for the water pump and early 3-series for the crank. I used an alternator off a Suzuki Samurai, which was the smallest I could find, and it still puts out 55 amps. This alternator does require an idiot light to excite. The radiator I chose was a BMW e36 as well. I installed some simple rubber buffers on the lower frame skid plate to locate the bottom and fabricated a new radiator duct out of aluminum that located and fastened the top. Oh, and I did fabricate a new front cross member between the spring towers up front. The factory one might have worked but the clearance was just too tight with the pulleys I chose. The lower frame cross member was chopped into about 1/2 of its thickness but severely beefed up. This was to clear the oil pan. The cool thing about this install is that if you didn't know any better, you'd think BMW designed this engine for the TR6. It is an absolutely beautiful fit. I did convert the rear diff to an Infiniti Q45 LSD / 3:54 which will work great with the transmission. Also had a company ( www.cvaxles.com Kevin) make up some rear axle shafts with CV Joints that will better handle the power. The drive shaft was a combo of the BMW with the Infiniti/Nissan rear flange. An actual drive shaft company did this. Currently, the chassis is awaiting the tub, which is being finished up at the body shop as we speak. It fits perfectly and all is hooked up and plumbed. You will need to fit an electric fuel pump and I would also suggest strengthening the frame. I have added a lot of steel to the frame, reinforced all the week areas and will install a roll cage to further stiffen it up. Hope this helps. At least on idiot over here in the US is doing what you are asking about. Dave " |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
That's Dave Dewalts car.
Google milemarker60 and you should find pictures. It was for sale about 9 months ago for 40k. Fell through because (ostensibly) the purchaser didn't fit. |
MGBV8 Carl Floyd Kingsport, TN (4512 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 11:32PM Main British Car: 1979 MGB Buick 215 |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
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MGBV8 Carl Floyd Kingsport, TN (4512 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 11:32PM Main British Car: 1979 MGB Buick 215 |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Awesome M3 Tr6. Shame he didn't send Curtis a HIWD. Looks like the Photobucket pics have been taken down. Grab the ones on Google while ya can.
Found more pics. Bottom of page. Click for larger pics. [www.davintosh.com] |
69 TR6 Dennis Matthews London, Ont (5 posts) Registered: 01/30/2013 10:13AM Main British Car: 1969 Triumph TR6 |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Hi BWA,
This is just what I am looking for as I have a completted TR6 and don't want to start hacking it up, however I do want my car to have more power and drivability to it. Did you have much trouble with the electrical? I was so afraid of the old wire I had a guy install the Dan Masters kit (nice stuff). You said you needed to move steering, did you need to add joints and attach it to the frame like the V8 guys are doing? Is this an affordable option? Why did you need to get a kit for trans? Are their any 3500's with rear wheel drive set ups? Looks great, Dennis |
Phil Crawford Philip crawford Bogalusa, La (80 posts) Registered: 02/01/2013 10:38PM Main British Car: 74 TR6 07 4.8L |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Ed
Have you considered one of the nissan skyline engine transmission combinations. They are JDM inline 6 turbo charged and horsepower is almost unlimited. They are very light and I considered one before I used a V8. If I wasn't in such a rural area I would have used one of the later models. Most in stock form are about 300+ hp. Food for thought. Phil |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Well I pulled the trigger and went with a low mile Nissan RB25 non-turbo. I don't know how long it will take to get up and running but the thought is I shouldn't need to mod the whole car for 200 HP but it should make for a very nice driver. I do know it was a blast at BIR up until the rod bearing started to go bad in the stock engine. A 200 HP hi winding 5 speed TR6 should be cool. Thanks for all the input.
Hope I don't need to move the rack to far. |
88v8 Ivor Duarte Gloucestershire UK (1041 posts) Registered: 02/11/2010 04:29AM Main British Car: 1974 Land Rover Lightweight V8 |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
If you move the steering rack, be careful that you don't create bump-steer.
The length between the inner ball joints is critical, so the wrong rack can cause bumpsteer. As regards rack position you should be able to draw a straight line from the centre of the top wishbone inner pivot to the same on the bottom wishbone, and the line should pass through the centre of the inner joint on the rack. Obviously raising or lowering the rack on its mounts, just a small amount, will make a vast difference to the bumpsteer. Here's an article on the subject. [www.tsoaq.org.au] Ivor |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Ivor
Thanks for the post, that may help a bunch of people that are moding these cars. I can't really picture where to draw the line thru the piviots in my head, but having lowered my car and reading the info it looks like I will need to move the rack to the rear and raise it up. Cutting into the firewall to move the engine back a couple of inches won't be that bad, but I believe the shifter will already be about 4" or 5" back from the stock location. Looking around on the net it looks like there are a number of companies that make balancers for the RB25 so if I need to shorten up the engine I can get a custom balancer made. The stock balancer has 3 different pulley grooves and I should only need the one position closest the engine. Can't wait to get the engine and do some real measuring. |
ALV Al Vandergoot Sidney, British Columbia Canada (67 posts) Registered: 01/13/2013 09:49PM Main British Car: 1971 Triumph TR6 Ford 2.3 turbo |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
I hope you are going to post pictures of the build. I considered a Nissan SR20DET (S13 Black Top). Its is a 4 cylinder making about 205 horsepower stock. I thought with 2 less cylinders moving the engine to get a close to stock shifter position would be easier.
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pointnette Stan Thompson France (13 posts) Registered: 11/24/2012 07:56AM Main British Car: 1999 Toyota Corolla; 1978 Volvo 244 both run bicarburation LPG/petrol |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
What about Bill Young’s MGA AMC 4.0 L6 experiment?
[forum.britishv8.org] From what I’ve read, hot rodders love ‘em. They’re said to have gobs of low-end torque and can be built to deliver lots more. Also, they’re reputed to be good for 300,000 miles. The problem is, if memory serves me correctly, they’re about as heavy as the Austin engine in the Big Healey. Stan |
DoctorEurocar Mitchell Isidore South Florida (6 posts) Registered: 05/01/2013 06:47PM Main British Car: 1973 Triumph Stag 1990 SBF & T5 in progress |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
BMW M30 3.4 Litre inline 6 cylinder single overhead cam, Bosch 059 ecu single T66 turbo looking at easy 400rwhp.. I have done this before, But I started out with the better 3.4l Factory turbo block as found in a european spec 1985 BMW 745i Turbo if could find that block good for 550 rwhp on all stock internals with exception of rocker arms.....
I considered this engine for my Stag project but its just too heavy. I am not sure on the factory TR6 inline 6 weight but they may be close.. The Electronics are simple to allow this conversion, you can get the ultra strong BMW Getrag 260 or 265 5 speed manual the 265 being able to use a cable for speedo where as the 260 has no provison for a cable.. My other non british project in a 1995 Mercedes E320 Cabriolet custom turbo that is being repowered with a BMW M30 inline 6 cylinder and single turbo.. Good luck either way sounds fun |
Trick6 Albert Gary Hartford, CT (9 posts) Registered: 07/31/2013 06:30AM Main British Car: 1971 Ecotec 2.0L LSJ |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
I have installed a 06 Cobalt (Ecotec) 2.0L LSJ (supercharged) engine. It is a great performance package. It dyno'ed 218 RWHP. I put a GM (world class) T-5, a 4.08 R200, and Goodparts CV Hub/Axle upgrade behind it. The weight/HP/ ratio, about 10:1, is a balanced relationship and the car is not overpowered, if there is such a thing. I get 29.5 MPG highway; the 5 th gear at 0.63. I now have a very happy and very fast roadster.
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Trick6 Albert Gary Hartford, CT (9 posts) Registered: 07/31/2013 06:30AM Main British Car: 1971 Ecotec 2.0L LSJ |
Re: What modern inline engine would you put in a TR6?
Here are a couple of photos of my TR6 with the 06 Cobalt LSJ.
This was taken just before the hood was installed. the air intake filter is up front a side the radiator enclosed by the Goodparts shroud. The drive-by-wire throttle body was at the end of the supercharger hitting the brake booster so we cut it off and moved it to the old battery area via a 90 degree tube. The ECM is against the firewall there also. It all fits under the hood nicely and is so much fun to drive. It's a real sleeper. |