Triumph Sports Cars

engine swaps and other performance upgrades, plus "factory" V8s (Stag and TR8)

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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: mgb260
Date: May 26, 2014 02:38PM

Mike, I don't know what you have for rear gears now but, the 3.55 is about right for the Ford T5. 3.35 first x 3.55 rear = 11.89. 11-12 being ideal for first. 3.55 x .68 fifth = 2.41. Excellent cruising gear.


kscharf
Ken Scharf
Ontario Canada
(6 posts)

Registered:
11/25/2013 03:41PM

Main British Car:
1980 TR7

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: kscharf
Date: June 04, 2014 06:28PM

Hi Mike...

How's the shakedown going...Dying to hear ...


Addicted
Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: June 06, 2014 12:29PM

I haven't touched it in the past week. It's sitting in my garage looking pretty right now. I've had the drivetrain in my '54 chevy all apart, but that should be buttoned up tonight.

I've got about 150 miles on the TR7, without any conversion / build related issues. I want a quieter fuel pump, but that's no big deal. The brakes and suspension are just right for what I want. I put 150lb springs in the front, and it's very nice. Roads around here are crappy, so I don't want any stiffer suspension than that. With the adjustable spring seats, I was able to set the ride height right where I wanted it.

I had it at a car show over Memorial Day weekend, and it was a hit.... "looks professional" "looks like it came in the car"
That's how I build stuff.

Issues to tackle:

1. Change rear end gears (I used the 4.10's that were in the axle I bought).

2. Low-ish oil pressure when hot. I used a "free" 302 from a parts car I bought, and of course, I should have put bearings and an oil pump in it. It had (and still has) good oil pressure for the first few miles of driving, but I must have never got the oil hot when I was evaluating the engine for re-use in this conversion. My plan was to make sure everything worked out with the conversion, and then swap in another engine if I wanted to. That's a pretty easy job, but it can get expensive. I'm trying to decide whether I want to put an oil pump and bearings into this engine, or whether I should just bite the bullet and build a fresh engine with aluminum heads. I will probably invest another Saturday and $100 into the current engine before I start shopping for a new one.


kscharf
Ken Scharf
Ontario Canada
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Registered:
11/25/2013 03:41PM

Main British Car:
1980 TR7

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: kscharf
Date: June 07, 2014 06:54PM

Sound amazing...Congrats Mike...

Will start mine I Sept...Have most driveline parts...Purchased a drivetrain out of an 89 Cobra (everything but the diff) with 42000 km on it (Tree fell on it and wrote it off) already converted to carb and MSD dizzy...Just the Diff to locate now....You sure set the bar pretty high but provide a great example of how to do it right...


Dan Jones
Dan Jones
St. Louis, Missouri
(259 posts)

Registered:
07/21/2008 03:32PM

Main British Car:
1980 Triumph TR8 3.5L Rover V8

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Dan Jones
Date: June 16, 2014 05:28PM

> Purchased a drivetrain out of an 89 Cobra

The first year for the Mustang Cobra 5.0L was 1993. Are the heads GT40 iron castings and do they have Ford part number bolt down 1.7:1 roller rockers?

Dan Jones


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Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: August 03, 2014 01:19PM

Well, I've swapped out the 4.10 gears for a set of 3.15's. The new ratio is great for my setup, and my driving style. I had trouble getting desirable contact patterns on both drive and coast side, and I compromised on the cost side. Sure enough, it whines when I'm coasting. Oh well. If I get sick of it, I'll have to spend $150 on another set of gears (probably more common 3.08's next time).

I'm also working on putting in new seats today. I have brackets just about done for the conversion. I got "real leather" racing seats from Amazon for around $350. Upon inspection, the seating surfaces and side bolsters are indeed real leather. They look pretty nice. I'll post some pictures later today.


Addicted
Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: August 07, 2014 10:23AM

Here are the new seats. I'm pretty happy with them.
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn89/74jawa/TR7/IMG_2500_zps9476f350.jpg

I have the 8.8 back apart after 40 miles, and I think I have resolved my issues. I'm going to put new spider gears in while its apart this time, so I'm waiting for those to come in the mail now.



kscharf
Ken Scharf
Ontario Canada
(6 posts)

Registered:
11/25/2013 03:41PM

Main British Car:
1980 TR7

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: kscharf
Date: August 31, 2014 05:27PM

There was no Foxbody "Cobra" in the U.S. until the '93 Cobra but many GT's in CANADA were labeled "Cobra GT" from 84-92.

If the car is from Canada it can be a "Cobra GT".....There is no mechanical difference between it and a "standard" U.S. Mustang GT and is not a higher performance vehicle than a "standard" GT....

Here is a Canadian window sticker from a 1990 Cobra GT
90cobragtws.jpg


Dan B
Dan Blackwood
South Charleston, WV
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Registered:
11/06/2007 01:55PM

Main British Car:
1966 TR4A, 1980 TR7 Multiport EFI MegaSquirt on the TR4A. Lexus V8 pl

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Dan B
Date: December 03, 2014 11:05AM

Mike,
What did you have to do to get the explorer master cylinder to fit? Got any pics?


BCwedge
Mark Elbers
Canada
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Registered:
12/19/2014 01:14AM

Main British Car:
1980 TR7 Rover 3.5

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: BCwedge
Date: December 19, 2014 01:41AM

Mike, I've had the Volvo brake conversion on my radar for some time, but I really like your 5 bolt wheel conversion with Mustang PBR brakes much better. The use of a trailer hub is nice out of the box thinking...I've read all of your posts that I could find, and still have some questions. I hope you can help me with some additional answers.

Would you know the manufacturer and model number of the hub that you used? I assume that the inner bearing matches the TR7 (L44649/L44610 ).

What did you need to do to match the hubs rear bearing grease seal to the TR7 spindle?

I see that you appear to have sleeved the spindle for the larger outer bearing and there appears to be a wheel spacer as well, which I assume was necessary to match your ET 40 wheels.

What machining did you perform on the hub itself?

Does the brake disc mount directly to the hub or did you need to space the disc out from the hub to properly locate the caliper?

Was there a reason you used a bolt on wheel spacer, rather than just holding everything together with longer wheel studs?

Any additional pictures of the individual custom components attached to the hub would be really helpful to see how you did it.


regards

Mark


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Clark Bruce Strock

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: trgrrr8
Date: December 20, 2014 04:51AM

At 340 pounds complete, I would use the late Rover 4 bolt main stroked with a 300 Buick crank as D & D has done. It is all aluminum 294 cubes and just the same as the factory TR8 in size. Basically except for the late 4.0 or 4.6 L block the parts are American. ... the Ford is good too but the Rover / Buick / Olds block is already engineered and done in Merry Olde England all the time Basically you create a Triumph TR8. The 75 pound T5 is the trans to use in both cases but only the V8 version. Cheers, C. Bruce Strock 267 999 1179 .... There are headers [long tube] for the 215 > 4.6L blocks.


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Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: January 13, 2015 12:26PM

Sorry guys, I've been away for a few weeks.

Dan - I changed boosters, and fitting the master cylinder will depend on what you plan to do for a booster.

For what I did, I had to oblong the two master cylinder mounting holes, and I made a custom length pushrod to go between the master cylinder and the booster. The Ford tube fittings are also different, so you will need to make new lines or find adapters.


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Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
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09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: January 13, 2015 12:46PM

Mark,
The hub I used was Reliable BT150A Short. The bearings are spaced closer together on that hub than most other trailer hubs.

Mine came with the correct inner bearing and seal to fit the TR7 spindle. There are couple different ID seals available.

The outer bearing requires a collar to adapt the OD of the spindle to the ID of the bearing race.

You may be able to get by just mounting that hub on your spindle, but I chose to modify my hubs by boring the bearing location further into the hub. Without modifying the hub, about half of the outer bearing is hanging out over the threads on the end of the TR7 spindle. I moved my bearings in by 0.300 inches.


Dan B
Dan Blackwood
South Charleston, WV
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1966 TR4A, 1980 TR7 Multiport EFI MegaSquirt on the TR4A. Lexus V8 pl

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Dan B
Date: January 13, 2015 03:24PM

What is the advantage of changing to the Ranger master, other than cost of course?


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Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: January 14, 2015 06:06PM

Dan,
I wanted the 1" diameter master cylinder. That was why I did it. Now that it is set up, it will be easier to find replacements down the road. Its also lighter, being aluminum.



BCwedge
Mark Elbers
Canada
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12/19/2014 01:14AM

Main British Car:
1980 TR7 Rover 3.5

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: BCwedge
Date: January 25, 2015 01:04AM

Thanks for the info Mike, I realized after I posted, that Christmas break was probably not a great time to ask questions. :-)

Just to confirm, did you move both bearings or just the outer one?

It looks like you sandwiched the brake rotor between the hub's wheel mount surface and a custom bolt on wheel spacer/adapter. Did you source the spacer pre-made from somewhere or machine it up to your own specifications?

To mount the calipers did you use straight alloy plate for the adapter or did you need to mill an offset or recess into the plate for either the caliper or strut bolts to align everything correctly?

regards

Mark


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Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: January 26, 2015 01:32PM

Mark,

I only moved the outer bearing.

I needed the wheel spacers to get the tires away from the strut tubes. They are just standard 1.125" wheel spacers.

There is an offset in the caliper mounting. I made flat brackets (1/2" stock) and then made spacers to bolt the calipers onto the brackets (about 0.200"). You could mill the offset into the bracket.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: May 03, 2015 10:03PM

Mike
Much difference was there in the offset between the original front hubs and the trailer hubs?


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Mike Hagadorn
Warren PA
(132 posts)

Registered:
09/27/2013 03:46PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR7 Victory Edition Ford 302

Re: Mike's TR7 Ford repower project
Posted by: Addicted
Date: October 23, 2018 04:06PM

4 years later, I'm still loving the 5.0 TR7. After a few cruise in's with people thoroughly impressed with the repower (but not the body of the car), I decided the body was no longer good enough. For myself, I wanted the bottom to be perfect when I'm under it on my lift, so I embarked on this little project:
IMG_3313.jpg

Spent a lot of time getting things straight. I left some factory wrinkles and spot welds. I'm so happy with the pristine looking front air dam. I remade the triangular braces that hold the air dam because they were never going to be back to perfect.
IMG_3315 (Large).JPG

How long will it stay like this?
IMG_3316 (Large).JPG



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