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ALV
Al Vandergoot
Sidney, British Columbia Canada
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01/13/2013 09:49PM

Main British Car:
1971 Triumph TR6 Ford 2.3 turbo

Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: ALV
Date: February 28, 2019 08:35AM

Im thinking of using this release bearing
[ramclutches.com]

The master clutch cylinder needs to be at least 3/4 inch bore which is what the stock triumph is. Has anyone else used this kit with their T5?

I have been using a custon external hydraulic clutch set up using a miata slave and the clutch is disengaging, but the pressure seems a bit much for the miata slave with its 5/8 bore and it is leaking past the seal. Other thoughts are to try and use a nissan 280z external slave with 11/16 bore. This was used on T5 that came with those cars back in the 80s I believe.
I have to change the clutch bearing and the retainer and buying a nissan clutch slave will put me at almost half the price of the RAM kit so going that bit extra for the reliability might be the way to go. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5812 posts)

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10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: February 28, 2019 12:08PM

Most people who have not had exceptional experience with an HTOB are going with the external slave for maintenance reasons.

Jim


ALV
Al Vandergoot
Sidney, British Columbia Canada
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1971 Triumph TR6 Ford 2.3 turbo

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: ALV
Date: March 01, 2019 10:59AM

Interesting so which combination of master and slave did you use? Or did you buy one of the off the shelf units? Thanks.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5812 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: March 01, 2019 02:49PM

Al, my car is an MG so it may or may not help but here.s a link:

[forum.britishv8.org]

The slave is an Isuzu part available for $40 from Amazon.
Dorman CS360032 Clutch Slave Cylinder. I forget the bore size but it's close to 3/4, you should be able to get that from the part number. The master is stock MGB which has a 3/4" bore. The clutch fork was shortened a little bit. Pedal pressure is very midrange.

Jim


ALV
Al Vandergoot
Sidney, British Columbia Canada
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Registered:
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Main British Car:
1971 Triumph TR6 Ford 2.3 turbo

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: ALV
Date: March 01, 2019 07:22PM

Ahhh great info much appreciated. Cheers


tbo
Tim Body
St Thomas Ontario
(214 posts)

Registered:
01/27/2013 06:47PM

Main British Car:
1954 Triumph TR2 stock 2 litre

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: tbo
Date: March 09, 2019 06:59PM

Hello Jim . I'm glad you spoke up in favour of the external slave cylinder.So much easier to change it instead of pulling the whole trans to fix the internal one.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
(3751 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 11:32PM

Main British Car:
79 MGB, Buick 215

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Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: March 10, 2019 10:01AM

Jim Watson used a RAM HTOB. He no longer has the car, though.

IMO this internal/external slave is overblown. There are people out there that have good results either way.

My dad's stock '63 B has an external slave, of course. We had to pull the engine & trans to replace the carbon TOB. So, pick your poison. On the other hand, my conversion turns 18 this Spring. I am still running the same McCleod HTOB without issue.



BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5812 posts)

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Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: March 10, 2019 03:16PM

I never had a bit of trouble with mine either, through a whole series of 215's but then I sold it when I thought I was going to the big automatic and as far as I know it's still doing fine. I have a better clutch feel with the external and it's lighter but that could just be from the overall ratio. Which is a little easier to tune with the external maybe as you can change the bore at both ends. Never had a leak but I know plenty who have. External, that is easy to fix whatever the cause, and they vary from improper setup (probably the most common) to nicked seals, bad seal/fluid combination, burrs, etc.

I do know if your transmission is not set up for the GM factory type HTOB it's probably best to stay away from that one. The unit itself seems attractive because it is cheap and used in production but by the time you are done you'll wish you'd done it differently, and may still have to.

Jim


ALV
Al Vandergoot
Sidney, British Columbia Canada
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1971 Triumph TR6 Ford 2.3 turbo

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: ALV
Date: March 14, 2019 10:16AM

Jim just wondering if your transmission was originally a cable type clutch fork that you substitued wih a hydraulic clutch fork when you did the conversion? Thanks.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: March 14, 2019 11:35AM

Al, my tranny is a clutch fork type. Bell is also, I modded it for a reverse fork (cable type) and added a slave mount using the S10 fork which I had to mod quite a bit. Since then I've bought a couple cable type bells and will convert one to a slave mount to go in later.

For anybody buying a BOP (V6 Buick) cable bell, be sure you get the clutch fork and preferably the tin cover too. The cover you can make but the fork is unobtainium and I don't know of one that is a direct fit without being modded. The S-10 fork can be made to work if you have a hydraulic press but it is a bit complicated.

Jim


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1979 posts)

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02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: March 14, 2019 04:28PM

82-84 S10 had a cable clutch too. The S10 fork may be the same as the non- cable though.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/14/2019 04:39PM by mgb260.


ALV
Al Vandergoot
Sidney, British Columbia Canada
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Registered:
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Main British Car:
1971 Triumph TR6 Ford 2.3 turbo

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: ALV
Date: March 14, 2019 05:56PM

Okay i already have a 93 mustang cable type clitch fork v8 t5 bell housing that I modified similarily to yours. I asked Late model restorations (fox body mustang specialists) about substituting a 2002 mustang hydraulic clutch-fork for the cable clutch fork but they noted that the geometry would be wrong unless the bell housing was a T56 or similar bell housing. Ill try the iszuzu and nissan slave to see which one works best. If neither is satifactory i will go with the RAM hydraulic thow oit bearing. Cheers


dchilds
Don Childs
Cass City, Michigan
(9 posts)

Registered:
09/03/2009 11:17PM

Main British Car:
1976 TR6 Ford 302

Re: Anyone using a RAM hydraulic clutch release bearing in their T5?
Posted by: dchilds
Date: April 02, 2019 12:58PM

Have a Ram style clutch release bearing in my 302, T-5 TR6 for several years now. Driven HARD with no issues so far.
I had no choice, moved my engine as far back as possible, no room for external slave.....
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