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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 08, 2010 04:53PM

Uh... I hope more than one color ? Whats the worst could happen.. someone ask "how's it runnin", we reply," just look at it, it's runnin ti...s" , nevermind.


87gn@tahoe
Wesley Harcourt

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: 87gn@tahoe
Date: January 22, 2010 12:06AM

For the cam bearing journals stiffiner, girdle, whatever yo want to call it:

Why not machine "plugs" in two pieces (one for each side to "sandwich" the cam journal, leaving a hollow in-between for oil flow) with a step to seat them and maybe a receiver groove for an o-ring. A central hole in the plugs which you could run a piece of, say, 1/2" allthread and nuts to cinch down the plugs as well as add a slight preload to add stiffness to the block. Then you wouldn't have any clearence issues with monster cranks either.

Just a thought


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
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10/16/2007 05:30AM

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'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 22, 2010 10:59AM

I like the concept. Do you think it's possible to get hands in there to weld the blanks? I suppose you could weld the threaded rod/nut after tightening to lock them in.


87gn@tahoe
Wesley Harcourt

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: 87gn@tahoe
Date: January 22, 2010 03:14PM

Weld or use a jam nut to ensure that nothing comes loose.


v8ian
ian stewart
just north of London, United Kingdom, Planet Earth
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67 Ford Cortina 3.9ltr Rover

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: v8ian
Date: January 23, 2010 09:48AM

Shrinking a ally tube into the journals would 1, seal the oilways, and 2 Stiffen the block, as for big throw crank clearance, I would guess the Pan rails would have to ground to nothing before cam clearance is a probem, But theres no reason the tube could not be substituted for a solid machined bar necked for clearance of crank and also gun drilled for lightness, obviously there would have to be some sort of radial groove uut to supply oil to the mains



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NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
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'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 23, 2010 04:12PM

LOL! Sound familiar, Art? Great minds, right? Thanks Ian.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 23, 2010 06:59PM

Nic and clan, are we going to be stuck in "endless re-runs"? lol ! But seriously folks, jus read the granite tablets laid out in the-FORUM, for all to see. May the h.p. gods smile upon us. roverman.



roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap/raised deck.
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 28, 2010 02:48PM

Clan update, Jus' found a local waterjet co. I'm "leanin"deck plates, not neccessarily with "tractor" crank-Nic. roverman.


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
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'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap/raised deck.
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 28, 2010 05:00PM

How high? 1/2" maybe?


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 28, 2010 07:40PM

Na' least .75" to fully encompass the "time serts", for head studs. Of course they may be,"counterbored" to drop over perihpery of deck to accomodate desired deck height. Still on-the-bubble, regarding external studs. roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 28, 2010 10:35PM

Here is a "Tractor" deck plate.
a211_sleeveplate.jpg


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 28, 2010 11:33PM

Thanks Jim,. Ya see that Nic ? Are ya strokin to the beat of,"Farmer-in-the del"-Yet. That sukka def look to be wantin a "tractor-like" 3.85"= stroke ! Where is all of this goin ?? We seem to be a semi- cohesive group of mad scientist, bent on both destroying and saving the Rover/sbb and"maybe", even the Caddy, from "Dr Evil of Boring "?? When "Luke" was told to "feel-the-force", I don't think it was, Exlax ? Let's just go with the flow, in a good way. roverman.


pcmenten
Paul Menten

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: pcmenten
Date: January 29, 2010 12:26PM

Wow, thanks Jim. With that picture it suddenly it makes sense. Curious, in the Rover application, would the deck plate be aluminum? And as Art alludes to, that would/could raise the deck height, enabling the 3.85" stroker. Basically, an aluminum Buick 300.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 29, 2010 12:41PM

If I was doing it, I would use 3/8" steel to stiffen the block, along with a girdle on the bottom.Or the thick aluminum like Paul said for a 300 height with 350 crank stroker.



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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap/turmoil below deck
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 29, 2010 02:24PM

Clan, My first choice for block, heads, deck plates and liners is always alum. I like similar thermal growth rates when possible. Next comes the "tractor sleeve", then I'll tork-it from there, oops,take-it.roverman.



NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
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'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 29, 2010 03:04PM

OH! Ok. that makes a ton of sense. Cool! Then I can weld the T6 bores on the bottom of the deck too. That will go a long way to seal up the top real tight. I guess we'd need plates for the intake too, if using the Buick heads. For the Buick head I'd only really need 1/2". The it could be welded to the deck of the block with a 40 thou gap for better weld penetration and that brings the Rover block up to the 300 deck height of 9.5". Once they have the pattern then we could use any thickness, right?



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BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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10/23/2007 12:59PM

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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 29, 2010 04:37PM

Might as well go with the P76 deck height if you can get a big runner P76 single plane or plates to run the EFI. Really you can make the deck anything you like going that route. Base it on your choice of stroke/rod/piston combo. 3/8 seems like a good starting point, remember the top of the cylinder gets the hottest so you don't want to go too thick. Downside, raising the deck height decreases hood clearance by more than the deck increase due to the manifold spacers.

JB


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 29, 2010 05:21PM

Yea Nic, If your gonna "slam" that Vega, might as well go dry-sump? Jim, is not the formula, deck height increase divided by 1.414? I'm leanin towards a "tractor sleeve", piano wire and hard blok. 2010,not so boring, roverman


87gn@tahoe
Wesley Harcourt

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: 87gn@tahoe
Date: January 29, 2010 09:29PM

Just an FYI- The gal at TA performance tole me that the 300 deck height is 9.543" and the 231 V6 deck is 9.535"


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(6468 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Lotus 907/Rover V8 head swap
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 30, 2010 12:47AM

Your formula is correct Art, but if you use spacer plates to use say for instance a Rover EFI intake that doubles the distance.

JB
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