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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: December 31, 2009 06:12PM

Nic, Thanks for the calculations. For the other Jim the engineer,what if you bored down between the head bolt bosses for the outer diameter of the sleeve that would make the block quite a bit stiffer. The flat bottom end with the maincaps flush with the panrails would be easy for 1/4" girdle. I think you could do a valley girdle also,picture three triangles bolted to the lifter valley bolts.Tons of info,search the current and archives on 4.9 in Pennocks Fiero Forum. That orange motor rebuild is on there. He had to use a 4.5 block as he found the junkyard motor was cracked in a front end collision.Northstar piston is .040 larger with same pin height, about 1 point higher compression(10.5).Quad4 piston (same bore, 3.62)is dished slightly for 1 point compression drop.(8.5)



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1891 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 01, 2010 11:17AM

4.5 is 3.62X3.31=273 cubic inches. So Nic, help me out here. 3.8X3.31=? 4X3.31=? Same piston as 4.9,longer rod(5.9 vs 5.7 for the 4.9). Jim, what's a radius squared?


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
(659 posts)

Registered:
10/16/2007 05:30AM

Main British Car:
'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 01, 2010 12:02PM

Damn near 300 even CID for 3.8" bore. That's nice.
333 ci (5.45l) for the 4" bore. Cool number.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5545 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 01, 2010 03:02PM

Here's the long version:

8 pies stroked x square radius =

1) Bore dia divided by 2 equals radius.
2) Radius times itself times 3.14 (π) gives area of piston. (Pies are square)
3) Area times stroke gives cylinder displacement.
4) Displacement times number of cylinders gives engine displacement.

So for a V8,

8 pies stroked x square radius = displacement.

Happy New Year!

Jim



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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Registered:
04/24/2009 11:02AM

Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8engine/and cal'cs
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 01, 2010 06:54PM

Folks, Carl Floyd "threaded" on 12/27, under "power cal'cs, a link to many of the formulas we need for such work. Thanks Carl, roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1891 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 01, 2010 07:47PM

Happy New Year to you guys, This bench machining is a blast! You know like bench racing.Yeah, Carl thanks for the link.Cool!


danmas
Dan Masters
Alcoa, Tennessee
(561 posts)

Registered:
10/28/2007 12:11AM

Main British Car:
1974 MGBGT Ford 302

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: danmas
Date: January 01, 2010 09:58PM

Pies are round; cornbread are square



BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5545 posts)

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10/23/2007 12:59PM

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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 01, 2010 10:26PM

xcept for mathmaticians. They got square pies and round cornbread. Come to think of it. I always liked round cornbread better anyways. (baked in an iron skillet)

Jim


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
(2895 posts)

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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 02, 2010 02:56PM

Call me old-fashined-jus doan call me, I like fish-net like material-line up the back... an an for just me, "Injection is nice, but I'd rather be bl.......", never mind. Is this our first "bench jacking" of 2010? -cool. roverman.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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10/23/2007 11:32PM

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79 MGB, Buick 215

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: January 02, 2010 10:10PM

"I like....
I like the little way the line runs up the back of the stockings
I've always liked those kind of high heels, too, ya know I...
No, no, no, no don't take 'em off. Don't take...leave 'em on
Yeah, that's it...a little more to the right"

-Everybody Wants Some!!- Van Halen (David Lee Roth era)


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5545 posts)

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10/23/2007 12:59PM

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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 03, 2010 11:28AM

Good one.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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04/24/2009 11:02AM

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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 03, 2010 11:41AM

Isn't this graaaaate ! Our "commune", at the Cadillac Ranch, has woven the first hemp rope in 2010 from "Caddy" threads. roverman -not up-in-smoke


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 03, 2010 04:54PM

I don't know where to start here anymore.No wonder Nic crosses over to all these different threads. I think Roverman was inferring Jims fishnet idea for block filler.Carl's just got a good sense of humor! What really surprised me is Dan Masters started it! Hey I got it,you guys are very helpful and you can still goof around, but seriously after you get the 4"(or 3.8) liners in the Caddy you can pour in block filler easily because you can see down around the wet liners. There is a procedure to set the liners first. You have to torque the heads with an old gasket to 30 ft lbs first to insure they are seated on the O ring. The block filler would be insurance to prevent leaks. See how I intertwined the humor with getting back on track. I have a line on a 94 4.9 core I am going to try to get next week,plus a RWD 4.1 TBI intake and valve covers. The early intakes were single plane the later(89 and up) dual plane. My idea to make a 4 barrel manifold. First the 1/2"TBI adapter with counterunk scews,porting, then the Edelbrock split 1" spacer.Hey does that Extrudehone company still exist?More pictures:
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1891 posts)

Registered:
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Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 03, 2010 05:53PM

If I did fuel injection I'd be tempted to do what this guy did on a Northstar : use 650-750 Suzuki motorcycle throttle bodies on tube type manifolds because it looks so cool! I would use chrome stacks on top though.
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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Registered:
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 03, 2010 06:10PM

Jim, you entertwined somptin-"pfunny"?Pic's are TB's with port injection? If you "must have' I.R. ,for Caddy Shack, you mite "peep", type I or IV, VW(using IDF. Webbers) or John Eales,"swan Necks' for Rovers? roverman.



mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1891 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 05, 2010 02:50AM

The individual runner manifold won't work, because as Nic noticed, you are limited with the intake being part of the head under the valve cover. You could do the Inglese 4 barrel to Weber deal though. This is shown on a V6 manifold.
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BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(5545 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 05, 2010 12:01PM

The runner/pushrod geometry kinda sucks doesn't it. A custom intake might be quite a chore.

Jim


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
(2895 posts)

Registered:
04/24/2009 11:02AM

Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 05, 2010 04:12PM

Other than the forged crank, What does the push rod motor have to offer, vs. Northstar?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1891 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 05, 2010 06:09PM

Inexpensive base,(thousands in wrecking yards for around $300 avg) easy 300HP,possibly larger bore. It looks like it is limited to the "poor boy" Performer 4 barrel intake mod.You could turbo or supercharge for more power.


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
(659 posts)

Registered:
10/16/2007 05:30AM

Main British Car:
'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 05, 2010 07:56PM

Maybe you could chop off the two sides and graft in a different intake?
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