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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 27, 2010 02:57PM

Chad, About all that would be left would be the port flanges. I was planning on cutting the top off and making a box type manifold with interchangeable tops like I show a few threads back.It would work as a large plenum.Mostly I wanted the front water outlet so I would'nt have such long radiator hoses like in this picture.By the way this motor is in a 4X4 Trooper with 454 TBI with 350 injecters .It has the Delta cam also.I haven't had a chance to even look at mine yet.
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

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Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 28, 2010 01:55PM

I'm pressure washing and tearing down the 4.9 this morning. Bore spacing measurements soon. I did find one aftermarket part for this engine:Cloyes double roller timing set for $56.
3_piece_timing_kit.jpg


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 28, 2010 02:44PM

Hmmm, sure "looks" like sbc. pattern on cam spocket. Gear drive/belt drive anyone??


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 28, 2010 06:08PM

Took a little longer to strip down than I figured but here are pictures so far:
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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 28, 2010 07:46PM

Man, I just "dig" the way those head bolts tie-in deep in the block..into main bulk-heads perhaps? We want LS heads onnit!roverman


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: February 03, 2010 04:22PM

Jim, You may want to "peep", Alan Johnson's biz, Cadillac Hot Rod Fabricators in Fallbrook, C.A. He's big in Northstars, don't know bout 4.9's. roverman.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: February 03, 2010 04:23PM

Jim, You may want to "peep", Alan Johnson's biz, Cadillac Hot Rod Fabricators in Fallbrook, C.A. He's big in Northstars, don't know bout 4.9's. roverman.



mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 03, 2010 06:11PM

4.9 is uncharted territory. So far the Fiero guys are into them. I think it has potential for sports cars,street rods,sandrails,a replacement for V6's in Camaro/Firebird,S-10/S15 pickups and Blazers,Isuzu Troopers/Amigos and Jeeps also. I haven't had time to tear into mine yet with working on my days off, rebuilding my daughter's computer,etc. I did some comparison measurements with the small block Ford. About the same height,a couple inches wider, about 4" shorter. Transverse FWD motors are usually shorter.The good news is it is about 100 lbs lighter.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2010 04:55PM

Super Bowl today, maybe tommorow I can pull the heads. Here is 3 more pictures: 1 of homemade headers and Allante gear reduction starter, 1 of valve cover with fins ground off-do outside and be careful the 4.5 and 4.9 are magnesium and 1 of washer method to hold sleeves in on engine stand so they won't fall out when rotated.
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2010 05:18PM

One more pic of head with 1.94 /1.50 Chevy valves. You can see why the engine is so short. The combustion chamber is turned sideways but looks a lot like Vortec heads.Rockers remind me of newer Ford.
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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8/bore spacing ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: February 07, 2010 06:08PM

Jim, maybe a Mopar 5.7/6.2 gasket will fit ? What if ? roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
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Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2010 06:16PM

Art, I might go to my friendly neighborhood auto parts store and do some gasket comparing:Chevy LS and newer Mopar Hemi! I'm usually not that lucky though.



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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: February 07, 2010 06:59PM

Good news is...only need once ! YOU could be the "Pete Aardema" of the 4.9L. A Hemmy Cad-Sweeeet ! roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 10, 2010 11:20PM

Tomorrow morning I will finally have some time to tear down and get bore spacing measurements.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 11, 2010 05:46PM

Bore spacing by tape measure: 4 3/8"(4.375) probably 4.4 like Chevy.Head bolt pattern 3.5" up and down 4.5" left and right.Skinny heads, probably have to live with stock heads: porting,polishing,gasket matching,larger unshrouded valves.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 14, 2010 04:20PM

One more thing for RWD, you have to make a remote oil filter adapter block to replace the stock one. Here is a pic showing the stock one hanging over bellhousing:
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
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Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 14, 2010 07:19PM

Roller lifter and spider pic.
Torque_to15.jpg


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 15, 2010 08:55PM

I got an engine manual from Ebay. It has all the info from 4.1-4.5-4.9 FWD/RWD and updates._Do not remove_ the lifter section.It is installed before the machineing operations on the block and machine torqued in place. So if you remove it the block will distort and be junk.(now I know why it says Do Not Remove on it) Looks like The Eldorado rear sump pan has a deeper sump than the standard RWD pan. 91 and up 4.9 had Gerotor oil pump.The intake bolts have conical washers and need to be torqued to 8ftlb then 12ftlb in sequence.The rocker arm bridges can be loosened gradually and the whole assembly lifts out, kind of like shaft mount rockers.Lots more info.



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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Registered:
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Main British Car:
74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: roverman
Date: February 15, 2010 09:32PM

Ok, so what did you see when you removed it ? Why would block distort ,unless lifter section was used to pre-stress block ? Got calipers ? Got LS and Hemi potential ? Can you hear the "build", begging for better heads ? roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(1915 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 15, 2010 10:06PM

I didn't remove it. That DO NOT REMOVE kinda scared me. The cam bearings are in a 2 piece sandwich between the block and lifter part. The cam bearings are line bored,mains line bored, block bored AFTER the lifter piece is machine torqued on! Yes,pre-stressed. No way you could get it back exactly. Head bolt pattern is too skinny for other heads, just have to improve the stock ones best I can. I plan on cutting guides down,machineing the bowls/trimming guides in there,gasket matching,Chevy 1.94/1.50 valves unshrouded,Z28 springs.Homemade steel rocker bridge.1.73 Ford rockers or 1.7 big block Chevy adjustable with 2.8/3.1 Crane studs.Homemade headers. Delta cams hottest regrind(E303) cam.(this same grind in 302 Ford produced 400HP with 1.7 rockers and Edelbrock Performer intake)I'll have 346 c.i. or 5.7 Liter. 3.9 LS pistons for tractor sleeves. Summit or Holley 4 barrel on 1.5" adapter. 1/4" steel block girdle. 400 HP?



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