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BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: July 09, 2017 11:59PM

What does the stock setup look like?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 10, 2017 06:14AM

Jim, Those are the stock rockers with the 93-95 3800 Buick V6 rollers instead of aluminum sled with tie bars that seem to break.
cadillac rockers.jpg



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MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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1979 MGB, Buick 215

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: July 10, 2017 10:08AM

The tie bars break because those puny little studs are flexing?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 10, 2017 10:50AM

Carl, That may be part of the issue. The 8mm bolt is pointed like a self tapping screw and has pulled out of the bridge also. One guy has redrilled and tapped for 10mm Allen bolt threaded through the bridge with lock nuts. If they would have used steel tie bars like Oldsmobile it probably wouldn't be an issue. You still need a way to guide the rockers. With the slots in the bridge you can use Ford pedestal roller or conventional 1.7 rockers also. 4.9 are 1.6 ratio. Dodge Magnum look similar and their base channels have guide plates for the pushrods. Dodge Magnum rockers pic:
Dodge magnum.jpg



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 10, 2017 12:51PM

Another interesting thread on rockers and cams.

[www.fiero.nl]


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: July 10, 2017 01:14PM

That does need sorted out. There was an attempt to use SBC rockers on SBB heads by attaching a base plate but it resulted in stud breakage. Too much flex. I wonder if twin tie-bars would be feasible, intake and exhaust? Might be able to link the tie-bars together for more rigidity.

Jim


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Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 10, 2017 01:20PM

Adapting parts from other makes or making parts specific for this motor for performance is the answer. It was never meant for a hot rod and just a daily driver/grocery getter.



pcmenten
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: pcmenten
Date: July 10, 2017 02:32PM

It's interesting to me the sled rocker design being used on other engines. I have a Ford Windsor block/ Cleveland head stroker motor and I insisted on using Crane high-lift sled-type rockers with two things in mind;

- The fulcrum has that squared alignment pedestal boss that prevents the rocker arm from rotating
- The sled design of the fulcrum makes the rocker center under the fulcrum and prevents side-to-side shifting.

I have heard that Cheby BB rockers would work on Cleveland heads but I had also heard that roller rockers tended to tick because of the lateral forces from the angle of the pushrod due to the splayed design of the valve angles. As the valve is opened, the centerline of the lateral forces of the pushrod crosses the centerline of the angle of the rocker, pushing it side-to-side.

My Clevor has a roller cam conversion with valve lift of .525".

Paul


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Jim Nichols
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 10, 2017 04:33PM

Paul, Maybe the Buick roller pedestal would work in the Ford rocker?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 12, 2017 04:14PM

Remote oil filter adapter from Chad's Porsche swap site:
oiladapter.jpg


mgb260
Jim Nichols
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: July 16, 2017 02:58PM

People have asked me my thoughts on porting the 4.9 heads. I agree with David Vizard's theories on porting. 52 percent of bore for max intake valve size and 80 percent of that for max exhaust valve size. This is to prevent cylinder shrouding. That calculates to 1.886 intake valves and 1.509 exhaust valves. SBC 1.84 and 1.50 305 HO valves would be ideal. Unshrouding chamber on outside of both valves and polishing to help prevent detonation at higher compression. Removing cast iron guides and replacing with tapered bottom bronze guides with .500 Viton seals. The floor of the port should be flattened in the corners dropping to the throat and bowl. An old head cut in two for intake and exhaust would be beneficial to see how far you could go. The intake manifold ports that curve around the pushrod hole can be ground out on opposite side to maintain width or a tube pressed in and ground down on that side. If you can get 200cfm intake and 150cfm exhaust at .500 lift, similar to ported SBF or Buick/Rover should support 350HP with the Delta E303 grind cam. Remember to use longer pushrods to compensate for reduced base circle of reground cam.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: September 28, 2019 09:17PM

Recent thread from Pennock's Forum on John's Supercharged 4.9. Studs and stud girdle. ARP rod bolts. I contacted John for more info. WOW! 52,700 hits on this link!

[www.fiero.nl]



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: September 29, 2019 03:15PM

May have found an answer to replace the aluminum tie bars for the rockers. This would be for the V8 not the V6 shown, plus staggered instead of straight. Ties them all together and prevents rotation.
YT_6669_3__54258.1457299409.1280.1280.jpg


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Jim Nichols
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: September 30, 2019 03:21PM

If you are using the Delta E303 cam you have to Dremel the rocker slot longer, also tap for longer rocker bolts Like John explains in this thread:


[www.fiero.nl]



Broken tie bar pic for thread above. Dremel the connecting piece off and use bottom fixture like above. I will have a prototype laser cut for the 4.5/4.9.
Broken_Rocker_Guide.jpg



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Johns 4.9
John Leo

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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: Johns 4.9
Date: September 30, 2019 11:46PM

Jim,
I have been working on this Ford BB 1.7 rocker arm swap also. This is what I have come up. Mounts to the Cadillac rocker arm rail. Keeps the pedestal fulcrum from rotating. I can cut the orange piece out on a CNC plasma cutter.
Cheers,
John



Fe Rocker01.jpg
Fe Rocker02.jpg



mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: October 01, 2019 12:32AM

John, Very Cool! Welcome aboard!


Johns 4.9
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: Johns 4.9
Date: October 01, 2019 12:21PM

Thank you, Jim. Its nice to be here!


Johns 4.9
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: Johns 4.9
Date: October 02, 2019 10:39AM

Do you think these headers would work in a MG with a Cadillac 4.5/4.9 engine?
Cheers
Headers.jpg


Johns 4.9
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: Johns 4.9
Date: October 02, 2019 10:48AM

Maybe the long tube headers would me a better option for a MG with Cadillac 4.5/4.9 engine.
Cheers
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: 4.5/4.9 Cadillac V8
Posted by: mgb260
Date: October 02, 2019 11:28AM

John the shorty ones with a longer, straighter collector without flange would probably work good. Most use the RV8 style that goes through the fenderwell. The hole also lets some of the heat out of the engine compartment. Pictures of RV8 style headers:
mgbv8 2.jpg
MGBV8_header[2].jpg
mgv8 3.jpg



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