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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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4 pattern hyd roller cams
Posted by: roverman
Date: October 30, 2012 02:33PM

All aboard the Comp Cams band wagon... Nascar technology, for street use. Longer intake runners need more intake lobe duration, to match the output of shorter runners-fact. Comp is claiming gains of 5-20 hp. and up to 1,000 more usable rpm., with their hyd roller grinds. How did this high tech get by "Dynomation" and "Pipemax" ?? Onward, roverman.


crashbash
david bash
st. charles
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1979 MGB Rdst V8 project, 1968 MGC GT, 1969 MGB Rd olds 215

Re: 4 pattern hyd roller cams
Posted by: crashbash
Date: November 02, 2012 02:12PM

Would running Dynomation and Pipemax with the long runner and then the short runner specs give you good numbers to use on cam design? ie long runner lobe, short runner lobe, etc........


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 4 pattern hyd roller cams
Posted by: roverman
Date: November 02, 2012 03:43PM

David and clan, I have neither, but perhaps Dan Jones or Fred Key could chime in ? As I recall with Dynamation, you do enter runner lengths. Onward, roverman.


DiDueColpi
Fred Key
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Re: 4 pattern hyd roller cams
Posted by: DiDueColpi
Date: November 02, 2012 10:24PM

Scatter pattern cams are not new.
Vizard coined the name in his A motor book.
Siamesed ports were robbing each other of charge velocity so he simply changed the cam grind on a per cylinder basis to even things out.
Racers have been doing this for years to overcome intake, cyl head or exhaust deficiencies.
It really isn't an ideal fix. It's just used as a crutch for a design flaw that can't be overcome any other way.
I don't think you would see one on an optimized fuel injected motor.
Using a varying pattern cam on a street motor is problematic.
Fuel consumption and emissions go out the window.
Improvements are targeted at very specific rpm ranges with corresponding loses at others. Idle quality becomes interesting.
In a race car it's a last resort after every other fix has been tried.
One interesting though just occurred to me though. You could use a scatter pattern cam to level out the torque curve of an engine.
With various cylinders peaking at different rpms you could flatten out the torque curve of an engine making it much more usefull in certain applications.
But we're building sports cars not trucks.... aren't we?


Dan Jones
Dan Jones
St. Louis, Missouri
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1980 Triumph TR8 3.5L Rover V8

Re: 4 pattern hyd roller cams
Posted by: Dan Jones
Date: November 05, 2012 10:56AM

Yes, in Dynomation you enter runner lengths. I generally average the short
and long intake runner lengths but you can also run the short and long lengths
separately. Dynomation has an optimization loop for cam specs and induction
length (can be run simultaneously). Pipemax predicts the good and bad exhaust
lengths. Back in the Can Am days, you'd see different length independent
runner stacks in an attempt to widen the torque band.

Dan Jones


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