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NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
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'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Block Filler
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: December 29, 2009 05:44PM

Here's a pic from the HardBlok site:

http://www.hardblok.com/i/gfx_inset_cutaway.jpg

I don't think we would have to fill the block this high. What I'm trying to wrap my mind around is how it helps cooling? Does it keep the coolant moving faster? Anybody ever done this?


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: Block Filler
Posted by: roverman
Date: December 29, 2009 05:53PM

I think it's approx. 15^ atdc of crank rot. for major heat/pressure? What "HardBlok" say about thermal factor? I thinkin, same pump= increased velocity, but reduced volume through rad. Anybody a thermal dynamics engineer out there? roverman.


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
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Re: Block Filler
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: December 29, 2009 06:32PM

I suppose after putting concrete in the block it's gonna get heavier. I wonder how much?
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hoffbug
Tony Hoffer
Minnesota
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Olds 215 EFI

Re: Block Filler
Posted by: hoffbug
Date: December 29, 2009 07:27PM

Block fill helps rigidity of the block. It doesnt help with cooling.. Depending on engine design you might actually need an oil cooler even after a partial "street" fill.. IE.. BB Chevys have an oil passage that gets entoumed when you blockfill.. The coolant in my 406 SBC ran real cool with a partial block fill.. The oil got real hot real fast.


roverman
Art Gertz
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Re: Block Filler
Posted by: roverman
Date: December 29, 2009 10:30PM

Nic, "The needs of the many,(inches),outweigh the needs of the few,(lbs)" .Spock


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
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Re: Block Filler
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: December 30, 2009 06:21AM

Yeah. I guess I didn't phrase my question about the "help" cooling. I was wondering how it doesn't hurt it. The oil temp makes sense.


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
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Re: Block Filler
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 31, 2010 06:11PM

On this note, in regard to the deck plate thread too, how well does the block filler seal the water jacket? Let's say the bottom of my T6 tube welded to the deck plate plan was not welded to the bottom of the water jacket, would the filler seal the block? I mean concrete does leak through cracks. Would this do it too?



roverman
Art Gertz
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Re: Block Filler and beyond
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 31, 2010 06:34PM

Nic, I've used Hardblock, in the past and it was consistancy of "grout". Why would you, not weld bottom of alum. liner? Seems to me, flanged and shrunk-fit into alum. deck plate, through the plate, with alum. liner welded to block at bottom, possibly welded on top. Is this not a stronger way? I always thought, concrete contained gravel ? I wouldn't fixate too much about additional weight, maybe they use Lava for gravel? LOL. roverman.


NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
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Re: Block Filler and beyond
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 31, 2010 06:50PM

I'm totally with you on the welded all around. Just fleshing it out. The only reason would be if I literally couldn't get the torch into the bore or through the space of the crankcase. Totally possible. What if I don't get a complete penetrating weld?


roverman
Art Gertz
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Re: Block Filler/ no gravel
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 31, 2010 07:02PM

May want to consider a, straight or bendable torch head. "If" you preheat adequately and have enough heat/correct angle on torch head, should be adequate. Helium is the hottest/cleanest gas for alum. and you can run "DC"., produces more heat, your current isn't "reversing" half of the time. Boeing Aircraft pioneered this method ,for tig. welding alum., decades ago. I suspect if you run at lest 2" of block filler, should not be an issue. roverman.


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