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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 12, 2010 01:33AM

I don't think the guy that figured this out would mind me sharing. He posted the plans on the H.A.M.B. site.
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 12, 2010 02:46AM

One more graph,this is for a 95 Mustang MAF. 1 CFM = 2.08KG/HR @ Std air density(59 degrees F @ 1 atm pressure).So the chart is reading approximately twice as high as CFM. Close enough to do a baseline and see improvement.
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nalle
Bjorn Nilsson

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Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: nalle
Date: January 12, 2010 04:55PM

[www.topplocksverkstan.se]
Here is another one for you guys. Unfortunately everything is written in Swedish with a few exceptions, but has a lot of pictures and quite a few formulas too. If you need any translation let me know.
This guy, Erland Cox, is very recognized in porting cylinder heads and has an immense knowledge in engines. He does not mind sharing it and has very good English if you need to contact him with questions.
BTW this is not an advertisement


pcmenten
Paul Menten

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Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: pcmenten
Date: January 19, 2010 07:14PM

Jim, I didn't see a recommendation for the power of the shop vac. I've got one that could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, but it might be more than is needed for this flow bench. Otherwise, this seems like a clever little setup.

The Mustang MAF looks like it is sensitive in the 100-200 CFM range (200Kg to 400Kg), so that should work well. I wonder if the Rover MAF would work?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 20, 2010 12:27AM

Paul,I imagine the port would only flow so much so the bigger the shop-vac the better.How about a RV sewer gate valve and vacuum gauge at the shop-vac. You could adjust to the standard 28" vacuum.The Rover, if Hotwire MAF would probably work if you could figure out the voltmeter connections.The first two pics are the guy's idea. The third one might confuse as it is a real schematic of a flowbench.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 26, 2010 07:55PM

Here is a diffuser that could be put in after the elbow made of soda straws for more consistent MAF readings.
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pcmenten
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Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: pcmenten
Date: January 26, 2010 08:06PM

Now THAT is clever. I assume that, to prevent it from being a restriction, you stuff something like a 5" pipe with these straws and adapt that back down to either 3" or 4" or whatever plumbing you were using.

What about cutting the straws to different lengths or staggering them to help muffle standing wave effects?



mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 26, 2010 08:18PM

I'm not sure, but it makes sense after the elbow to straighten and smooth the flow. Here is a picture of a 90 Ford MAF.
Flow_Bench_Build_14re.jpg



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NixVegaGT
Nicolas Wiederhold
Minneapolis, MN
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'73 Vega GT 4.9L Rover/Buick Stroker

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Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: NixVegaGT
Date: January 26, 2010 08:19PM

Cool project, man. I was considering building one too after reading "Practical Gas Flow". Good book...


minorv8
Jukka Harkola

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Morris Minor Rover V8

Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: minorv8
Date: January 27, 2010 12:55AM

Popular Hot Rodding magazine had a series of article where they gave instructions for a homebuilt flowbench. I have the pages scanned somewhere, if someone is interested I can find them for you.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: Homemade Flow Bench, who do ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: December 01, 2011 11:06AM

Anybody actually build one ? You can buy a somewhat expensive "kit with black box" included. Somewhere I read you'll need qty. (11) vacum motors ! Why not use a cheap "Rootes" ? 6V71 at swapmeet-$40. Long term satisfaction of making it work-priceless. roverman.


Dan Jones
Dan Jones
St. Louis, Missouri
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1980 Triumph TR8 3.5L Rover V8

Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: Dan Jones
Date: December 03, 2011 06:49AM

> Why not use a cheap "Rootes" ? 6V71 at swapmeet

That would be suitable for a constant depression (flow drop) type flow bench.
The budget flow benches I've seen are variations on Vizard's varying pressure
drop design:

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Vizard has a good article on this design in one of his books. Basically
he noted that since the pressure drop across a valve varies rapidly with
valve opening, a constant depression flow bench isn't necessarily better
than a bench that permits the pressure to vary. The latter design requires
much less flow to operate, permitting simple shop vacs to power the benches.
I've got a Beam vacuum unit in my garage that powers a whole house vacuum
system. I plan to tap into it for my home made flow bench. I've picked
up an old manometer but need to finish up a few other projects before
completing the build.

Dan Jones


roverman
Art Gertz
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Re: Homemade Flow Bench, Rootes of the matter
Posted by: roverman
Date: December 03, 2011 05:56PM

Would not a Rootes with changable restricting orfices, gate valve retriction or cangable blower driven speeds make suitable for various pressure drops ? Seems like this blower could make pretty high vacum for more engine- like flows on exhaust port. roverman.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Homemade Flow Bench, Rootes of the matter
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: December 04, 2011 09:42AM

"I've got a Beam vacuum unit in my garage that powers a whole house vacuum
system. "

Great idea, Dan!

Hmmm....I have a pretty big vacuum unit for my Skat Blast cabinet that may work, as well. ;)


Dan Jones
Dan Jones
St. Louis, Missouri
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1980 Triumph TR8 3.5L Rover V8

Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: Dan Jones
Date: December 05, 2011 01:29AM

> Would not a Rootes with changable restricting orfices, gate valve retriction or
> cangable blower driven speeds make suitable for various pressure drops?

You wouldn't need to do it that way. On a standard flow bench, pressure drops
as soon as you open the valve. At each lift increment, you increase the suction
of the pump to maintain a constant pressure drop. In the Vizard bench, you don't
attempt to maintain a constant pressure drop. You let the flow/pressure drop
change as it would in the engine. The Rootes would work but would require a rather
sizeable electric motor to run which would defeat the low cost nature of the
approach.

Dan Jones



roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: Homemade Flow Bench/ Kit ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: December 20, 2011 07:00PM

Ok, I'm seriously considering a "Flow Performance" flowbench kit. Not cheap but digitalized,(electronic manometers), that runs with windows 98 +. I have a 3 hp industrial vacum, maybe adequate ? Anybody ? Thanks, roverman.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Homemade Flow Bench, kit on the way
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 27, 2012 03:57PM

Yea, Now if I just had some TA heads to plop on it. roverman.


WernerVC
Werner Van Clapdurp
Lynchburg, Va
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MGB 1977 Rover 3.5

Re: Homemade Flow Bench
Posted by: WernerVC
Date: March 25, 2012 10:18PM

Hi Roverman,
Last year I shipped a Flow Performance kit to my friend in Belgium. He uses it for his MGA twin cam heads and he loves the performance of the kit. A bit expensive but he says it is well worth it.
Werner


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: Homemade Flow Bench vs. Superflow/ etc.
Posted by: roverman
Date: March 25, 2012 10:28PM

Werner, Ok so $1,000. US. is expensive ? I suggest pricing a comparable flow "Superflow", for a better definition of ex$$pensive ! Cheers, roverman.


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