MrGibbs Bob Gibbs West coast (4 posts) Registered: 06/02/2012 06:16PM Main British Car: 1967 Buick 300 ci |
looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Hello,
I am embarking on a Buick 300 engine build with newTA heads, I have everything figured out except for an intake manifold, I would like to get a single plane from Hufaker or wilpower but cant even seem to find any info on how to order one. I know i will have to make spacer plates or buy a Leyland P76 intake and cut it down. if i cant find one my only other option is to have one built at great cost. any suggestions? |
minorv8 Jukka Harkola (269 posts) Registered: 04/08/2009 06:50AM Main British Car: Morris Minor Rover V8 |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Hi,
I bought mine in 2009 directly from Australia. I hope the details are still valid: Wilpower Bill Laney Max Wedge Performance Australia williaml@hotkey.net.au best regards Jukka |
roverman Art Gertz Winchester, CA. (3188 posts) Registered: 04/24/2009 11:02AM Main British Car: 74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Welcome to our forum Bob, but first things first. Ported heads ? Port size is ? Unless "someone" has a Wildcat stage II, 4 bbl manifold, I know of no other available manifold, with large enough runners You might ask TRS?.They are rumoring 600 hp on gas. I plan to build a vertical split,hi-rise 4bbl manifold, that will accomodate ported TA heads. My heads might arrive next week. What is your time frame ? Cheers, roverman.
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MrGibbs Bob Gibbs West coast (4 posts) Registered: 06/02/2012 06:16PM Main British Car: 1967 Buick 300 ci |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Thank you for the Welcome Art. my intention is to turbocharge the engine so large runners are not as important as in a normally aspirated engine. this is uncharted territory and once i get the intake situation figured out i am going to start ordering parts. does anybody make an intake that fits the leyland p76 engine?
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minorv8 Jukka Harkola (269 posts) Registered: 04/08/2009 06:50AM Main British Car: Morris Minor Rover V8 |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
I would imagine Bill Laney can help you since he and the infamous P76 both originate from Land of OZ.
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Dan Jones Dan Jones St. Louis, Missouri (280 posts) Registered: 07/21/2008 03:32PM Main British Car: 1980 Triumph TR8 3.5L Rover V8 |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
The Harcourt single plane can be procured from TR8 Specialist Woody Cooper at
the Wedgeshop (http://www.thewedgeshop.com/). The Willpower can be ordered directly from Bill Laney in Australia. Both the Willpower and Harcourt have Rover sized ports (sized to the gasket opening). Huffaker no longer makes the Rover intake manifold but a copy of it is available from England. It's slightly different than the original. One discriminating factor is the Huffaker has larger Buick 300 sized intake ports. The Willpower tested better on the flow bench than the Huffaker but I've not verified that with the dyno yet. Another option would be to have a 1964 Buick 300 aluminum 4 barrel intake Extrude Honed. A local circle track shop had a stock Ford 351W intake Extrude Honed as the engine ran in a class which had to use the original intake manifold. They tested it against several aftermarket high rise dual planes and found it to compare favorably. Being a one year only deal, the Buick 300 intakesare relatively rare but I've got a spare here if you decide to go that route. Dan Jones |
MrGibbs Bob Gibbs West coast (4 posts) Registered: 06/02/2012 06:16PM Main British Car: 1967 Buick 300 ci |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Thanks for the info, I have a 65 cast iron intake which has larger ports than the 64 version. Dan, I bought an intake from you on the V8 board a couple years ago and then got tired of waiting for the TA heads to materialize and sold it. i'm kicking myself now because that intake had 300 size ports and was for a tall deck motor.
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roverman Art Gertz Winchester, CA. (3188 posts) Registered: 04/24/2009 11:02AM Main British Car: 74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Bob, Did this just "happen" to be a Wildcat single plane 4bbl ? Just curious, roverman.
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minorv8 Jukka Harkola (269 posts) Registered: 04/08/2009 06:50AM Main British Car: Morris Minor Rover V8 |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
Dan,
could you provide more info about the Wilpower flow tests ? Did you measure all ports i.e. how even the flow was port to port ? Jukka |
Dan Jones Dan Jones St. Louis, Missouri (280 posts) Registered: 07/21/2008 03:32PM Main British Car: 1980 Triumph TR8 3.5L Rover V8 |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
> yes it was a wildcat. attached is a picture. I hope it shows up. Bob
That thing has been around the block. I got it from Art. > could you provide more info about the Wilpower flow tests? Did you measure > all ports i.e. how even the flow was port to port ? As I recall, we only tested center and end ports but the same nes on each intake manifold. Dave may have done a quick spot check (valve stem only or valve open to a large lift) of the other runners but we only recorded flow data for one end port and one center port. My orignal post is included below. As always, the forum software will screw up the formatting. Dan Jones After the heads were ported, I spent a little time evaluating a couple of Rover V8 single plane intake manifolds on Dave McLain's flow bench in Cuba, Missouri. I wanted to know which of the intakes would flow best when bolted to the ported 1964 Buick 300 aluminum heads. The two intakes tested were a Huffaker: [www.bacomatic.org] [www.bacomatic.org] [www.bacomatic.org] and a Willpower: [www.bacomatic.org] [www.bacomatic.org] Note the Willpower intake pictured is not the actual intake tested. I've not yet taken pitures of the intake we tested but it differs from the one pictured in that it has EFI injectors bungs in each port but the injectors were not installed for these tests. The Huffaker has larger ports which better match the Buick 300 heads: [www.bacomatic.org] The Willpower has smaller Rover-sized ports but has a better radius on the end runners than the Huffaker. An end port and a center port of the head were first flowed without an intake attached to get a baseline, then flowed with the intake bolted in place. Also, a Holley 780 carb body with the throttle plates at full open was bolted to the intake to represent the pressure drop across a carb or fuel injection throttle body. I'll be using an EFI throttle body later but have not purchased it yet. When the heads were ported, they were tested on a Superflow bench at a 28" H2O pressure drop. The head had a clayed intake radius but no exhaust pipe stub was used on the exhaust. Those numbers are shown in the 2nd and 3rd columns. The 4th and 5th columns are the same head flowed on Dave's bench which has a 10" H2O pressure drop. The numbers were converted mathematically to 28" to be on a consistent basis. Note the numbers are somewhat lower than those of the 28" bench. We're not sure if this due in part to the conversion or is simply bench-to-bench variation. In any case, it doesn't influence the results of the intake manifold tests. On both single plane intakes, the center runners are short and straight while the end runners are long and curved, so one center port and one end port were tested. The Huffaker was bolted to the head and tested first, followed by the Willpower. The results are shown below and are best viewed in a non-proportional font like courier: Valve Buick 300 Ported Buick 300 Same head with Same head with Lift 1964 head on McLain's Huffaker intake Willpower intake (inch) aluminum flow bench center runner center runner ported 10" numbers Int Exh converted to 28" CFM % of CFM % of 1.775" 1.5" Int Exh bare bare 1.775" 1.5" head head Int Exh center port 0.050 -- -- 26.3 22.6 26.1 99.2 27.6 104.9 0.100 66 47 56.3 51.6 55.1 97.9 56.4 100.2 0.150 99 82 86.8 75.0 87.8 101.1 89.0 102.5 0.200 129 104 115.1 98.4 117.2 101.8 119.1 103.5 0.250 155 119 140.4 114.1 141.4 100.7 142.8 101.7 0.300 174 130 158.1 125.4 160.6 101.5 160.0 101.2 0.350 187 139 171.7 134.4 169.9 98.9 167.9 98.0 0.400 191 146 179.8 140.2 170.5 94.8 172.2 95.8 0.450 194 150 181.3 143.2 172.6 95.2 174.3 96.1 0.500 196 152 182.1 144.3 173.9 95.5 175.3 96.2 Valve Buick 300 Ported Buick 300 Same head with Same head with Lift 1964 head on McLain's Huffaker intake Willpower intake (inch) aluminum flow bench end runner end runner ported 10" numbers Int Exh converted to 28" CFM % of CFM % of 1.775" 1.5" 1.775" 1.5" bare bare end head head port 0.050 -- -- 25.5 22.6 26.8 105.9 26.9 105.5 0.100 66 47 55.0 51.6 56.6 102.9 55.4 100.7 0.150 99 82 87.0 75.0 88.2 101.4 88.6 101.8 0.200 129 104 116.9 98.4 114.1 97.6 119.8 102.5 0.250 155 119 143.4 114.1 132.5 92.4 144.6 100.8 0.300 174 130 157.8 125.4 146.5 92.8 164.8 104.4 0.350 187 139 171.6 134.4 155.6 90.7 173.3 101.0 0.400 191 146 178.3 140.2 156.9 88.0 175.0 98.1 0.450 194 150 180.8 143.2 156.6 86.6 176.0 97.3 0.500 196 152 182.9 144.3 157.6 86.2 175.3 95.8 Despite the smaller runners, the Willpower is the better flowing manifold. The center ports on both intakes are quite close to the head flow but the Huffaker end ports are not as good. I think it would be worthwhile to port just the ends of the Huffaker intake end runners with a better radius to see if the flow loss could be recovered. There's a slight drop off in flow as lift increases on the Willpower intake that may be due to the small port size. The Willpower could be ported to a larger size but given how close the intake is to the bare head flow, it's probably not worth the trouble. The worst flows are at 96%. As a point of comparison, we've recently flow tested a couple of (non-Rover) dual plane intake manifolds and they were in the mid seventy % flow range (unported). The exhaust-to-intake flow ratio on these heads is excellent. Dave thought a bit larger itake valve, at the expense of exhaust valve size, might make more power if it were practical. During our tests, a 4" diameter tube was used to simulate the effects of the cylinder wall. To see if shrouding might be a problem, the tube was moved around (closer to the valve) but little effect was noted. Dan Jones |
rover sd1 v8 jay martin (11 posts) Registered: 09/06/2015 06:07AM Main British Car: sd1 1986 rover 3.9 |
Re: looking for a suitable intake manifold to go with TA heads
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