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Moderator Curtis Jacobson Portland Oregon (4577 posts) Registered: 10/12/2007 02:16AM Main British Car: 71 MGBGT, Buick 215 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Sounds exciting!
I bought an "MS3-Pro" ECM. It came factory-built and pre-programmed, so I got off to a quick and easy start. We should probably start a separate thread so people with more knowledge of MS2 will be sure to see. I don't know anything about getting an MS2 up and going. |
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WernerVC Werner Van Clapdurp Lynchburg, Va (108 posts) Registered: 09/06/2009 12:56PM Main British Car: MGB 1977 Rover 3.5 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Curtis.
Looking at the single coils you got, they look very well the same as the ones that Henk-Jan-Vonk used in his V8 transformation. I have 2 Ford coil packs that feed 4 spark plugs each. Plan to mount them on each inner fender so the spark plug wires will be very short. Just need to make 2 new mounting brackets. Werner |
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Hi Werner.
The Ford coil packs are a "wasted spark" setup. That means that for most v8's you are going to have plug wires going to both banks of the engine from each coil pack. Wasted spark coils need to pair up cylinders that are directly opposite in the firing order. Not really a problem but possibly not what you wanted. Positioned well, they look nice and they can be made to do anything that a coil per cyl can do. Cheers Fred |
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WernerVC Werner Van Clapdurp Lynchburg, Va (108 posts) Registered: 09/06/2009 12:56PM Main British Car: MGB 1977 Rover 3.5 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Fred and Curtis,
I want to start with an easy and proven system as recommended in MS manuals. If the system works and is well tuned then I might change to a nicer looking setup. My MS system is the V2.2. Right now my budget doesn't allow changing to MS3-pro but might consider it for the future. My biggest problem now is to find the right software. Werner |
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
The megamanual will walk you right through it.
It looks daunting but break it down into small bits and it starts to make sense. Just stay away from the forums that thrive on the "techno talk" most of them have no idea of what is going on. Cheers Fred |
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Hey Curtis,
I just dug my TR8 out of storage and had to try the suzi coils out. They will fit pretty well but I'm trying really hard to keep this one stock. |
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
That looks pretty good Fred. I'm still about a year away from going to MS-III but that could be the answer.
Jim |
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Moderator Curtis Jacobson Portland Oregon (4577 posts) Registered: 10/12/2007 02:16AM Main British Car: 71 MGBGT, Buick 215 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Nope. It can't be done. It'll never work. (If I give that kind of feedback, you'll get motivated to prove me wrong. Right?)
Well... here's a quick snapshot to show what I've decided to do instead. Quite a lot of work remains... Details to follow. |
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mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2463 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Wow! Curtis, You never cease to amaze me! I would have never thought of a mount like that, and I've been accused of thinking outside the box.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Guess that is your surprise, huh? Looks pretty good and definitely tricky. Should go well with your custom plenum.
Jim |
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WernerVC Werner Van Clapdurp Lynchburg, Va (108 posts) Registered: 09/06/2009 12:56PM Main British Car: MGB 1977 Rover 3.5 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Jaques and Jim,
I think Edis is the way to go for simple installation. I got info from Megasquirt UK and bought several partsfrom them when I was working in the UK. What MS system do you have ? I have the older V2.2 system. Do you know if this works with Edis ? WWhat software did you download ? Jaques, I live in Lynchburg, VA. Might get together some day. The support bracket you see on this thread is the one I bought in the UK from Megasquirt.co.uk For the moment I am still working on the welding of new doorsills. The old ones were rusted out. I'll keep you informed. Werner |
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Werner, I used EDIS with the 2.2, it works well, is relatively simple and very reliable. The laptop timing control is VERY good.
I will be going to MS3 sometime over the next year or so but have to build the controller first, as well as the rest of the system and as it is a complex one involving other modules linked together via CAN bus I am going to do that after the car is running on the old MS2 controller using the existing 3.57 board. The new system will use COP as well as individual EGTs. Jim |
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Moderator Curtis Jacobson Portland Oregon (4577 posts) Registered: 10/12/2007 02:16AM Main British Car: 71 MGBGT, Buick 215 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
This morning I finally ordered some spark plug wires! I had been procrastinating for way too long.
Here's an updated snapshot of my engine bay with everything bolted down tight. I ended up putting an eight-way connector on the coil pack for the eight signal leads, plus a three-way connector for the power and two ground leads. Additional close-up photos: here. 
(A couple tie-wraps have been left off, just in case I need to troubleshoot anything.) What are you guys working on lately? |
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kstevusa kelly stevenson Southern Middle Tennessee (985 posts) Registered: 10/25/2007 09:37AM Main British Car: 2003 Jaguar XK8 Coupe 4.2L DOHC/ VVT / 6sp. AT |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
I love those invisible plug wires. :-) everything looks great Curtis. your work is "TOP SHELF"
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74ls1tr6 Calvin Grannis Elk Grove,CA (1151 posts) Registered: 11/10/2007 10:05AM Main British Car: 74 TR6 / 71 MGB GT TR6/Ls1 71 MGB GT/Ls1 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Curtis, I have a question for you?
Does your ls2 truck coils have the heat sink attached to them? I'm looking for two sets of these with the heat sinks attached to them in the recycle yards (they seem to be the most powerful on the market). I was able to find a 408 R200 diff that was laying on the ground (still in the suspension) under a Nissan 300zx in the yard. Picked it up for $75, "what a steel"(normally $250 on up). I going to install it into the TR6 and play a little :-) |
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Moderator Curtis Jacobson Portland Oregon (4577 posts) Registered: 10/12/2007 02:16AM Main British Car: 71 MGBGT, Buick 215 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Thanks Kelly! However, I pick and choose photos carefully to maintain that illusion.
------ 4.08 vs 3.45:1, eh Calvin? As if your car needed help launching! I guess with your double overdrive, you won't be sacrificing too much. Quote: Yes! This snapshot shows their back side. I hope they don't get too hot inside the box!  |
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Moderator Curtis Jacobson Portland Oregon (4577 posts) Registered: 10/12/2007 02:16AM Main British Car: 71 MGBGT, Buick 215 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Used, on eBay. I can't find a record of which seller or what I paid. I think they came off of two different cars, because one of the steel brackets was a little rusty and the other wasn't.
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MGBV8 Carl Floyd Kingsport, TN (4512 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 11:32PM Main British Car: 1979 MGB Buick 215 |
Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
FYI: Go to "My Ebay" then click on "Purchase History". You can look thru recent purchases or archive (last 3 years).
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