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Curtis Jacobson
Portland Oregon
(4577 posts)

Registered:
10/12/2007 02:16AM

Main British Car:
71 MGBGT, Buick 215

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: Moderator
Date: January 31, 2014 10:50AM

Looks like I paid $129.50 shipping included from seller "bding44". That seller currently has three styles of Chevy coils for sale, but not the LS2 truck kind (with finned aluminum heat sinks.)

Here's how the wires turned out:
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CurtisJacobson/Ignition-B1.jpg


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kelly stevenson
Southern Middle Tennessee
(985 posts)

Registered:
10/25/2007 09:37AM

Main British Car:
2003 Jaguar XK8 Coupe 4.2L DOHC/ VVT / 6sp. AT

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: kstevusa
Date: January 31, 2014 12:33PM

Very nice Curtis, your engine bay looks great!


74ls1tr6
Calvin Grannis
Elk Grove,CA
(1151 posts)

Registered:
11/10/2007 10:05AM

Main British Car:
74 TR6 / 71 MGB GT TR6/Ls1 71 MGB GT/Ls1

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: 74ls1tr6
Date: February 01, 2014 01:28AM

Curtis,

Not a bad price for the coils and brackets shipped . I just paid $109.00 for brand new ones for 8 coils + shipping, but 2 sets of them for the Ls1 engines. Then I bought 16 connector pigtails for them. Picked up the pigtails from "autowiresolutions" e-bayer I believe for $145.00 shipped.

Curtis, a very sanitary and professional looking install there!


16 connector pigtails and 1 Ls2 truck coil. The Ls1 coil connectors will not work, so they need to be changed out.
2014-01-31 22.15.30.jpg


box of 16 Ls2 truck coils with aluminum heat sinks.
2014-01-31 22.15.58.jpg


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Curtis Jacobson
Portland Oregon
(4577 posts)

Registered:
10/12/2007 02:16AM

Main British Car:
71 MGBGT, Buick 215

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: Moderator
Date: February 15, 2014 02:51PM

After various delays and distractions...

The GOOD NEWS is that I hit the starter button this morning and my engine fired right up on it's new ignition system!

It didn't miss a single beat. I ran it until it came up to full temperature, then shut it down and came back in the house. Needs some tuning. Too much ignition advance at idle. Bogs a bit when I tap the throttle. (That might be a fuel issue, eh?) My old Sun tach isn't working right with MS3-Pro driving it, but I expect that won't be a big deal to sort out.

Here's the most important thing I've learned lately:
If you use a half-moon cam position trigger, make sure to use it with a Hall effect (3-wire) sensor.

I've made recent updates to my Photo Gallery page.

Here is a new photo and caption about cam position sensors:
http://www.britishv8.org/MG/CurtisJacobson/HallEffectSensor.jpg
The Ford shaft was cut in diameter and length. We milled flats onto its end to drive a Buick oil
pump. Note how it has a "half moon wheel" at the top instead of one with one or more narrow
teeth. The sensor at right came with it; it's a VR (variable reluctance) 2-wire sensor. I prefer
to instead use the Hall effect 3-wire sensor at left. This particular Airtex Wells sensor (part#
5S1283) is an improved version of a Hall effect sensor Ford used in the 1990s. It features an
over-molded magnet instead of one that can shake loose. The functional advantage of a Hall
effect sensor in combination with a half moon wheel is quicker starts. MS3-Pro can "poll" cam
position when the crank sensor detects a missing tooth and immediately sync ignition timing.

(I had lots of sync errors when I tried to use the VR sensor. Note also that the connector shown in this photo is the 2-wire kind for the Ford VR sensor. I didn't find a source for the appropriate 3-wire connector so I had to buy a pigtail, which was a bit costly.)


MG four six eight
Bill Jacobson
Wa state
(324 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 02:15AM

Main British Car:
73 MGB Buick 215, Eaton/GM supercharger

Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: MG four six eight
Date: February 15, 2014 11:10PM

Thats great news Curtis!! I'm glad to see that the hall effect sensor worked out for you!
Some day if I have some extra time, I may have to convert mine over to hall effect.

Bill


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Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(6469 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: February 16, 2014 07:51PM

I've got the two wire pickup with a narrow vane. Are you saying that the Hall effect will work better, or that it's just better with the half-moon vane?

Jim


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Curtis Jacobson
Portland Oregon
(4577 posts)

Registered:
10/12/2007 02:16AM

Main British Car:
71 MGBGT, Buick 215

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: Moderator
Date: February 16, 2014 10:53PM

Jim, with half moon and three-wire together I believe you should get slightly quicker starts. Other than that, I'm not aware of a tangible performance difference between my set-up and yours. (Once you have sync, you have sync, right?)


I corrected trigger angle offset (no more bog!), and then took my car for a long test drive. Car is running GREAT!!!!

Fast starts. Noticeably smoother at idle. Still gotta fix the tach... Then I guess I'll try switching from batch-fire to sequential injection.



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Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
(2463 posts)

Registered:
02/29/2008 08:29PM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 16, 2014 11:52PM

Curtis, Great job! You are going to be the go to guy for info on the Megasquirt setup!


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Fred Key
West coast - Canada
(1365 posts)

Registered:
05/14/2010 03:06AM

Main British Car:
I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now!

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: DiDueColpi
Date: April 09, 2014 04:36AM

So, I know it's a little late to the party, but,
came up with another coil choice.
These are for a Subaru WRX.
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IMGP9432.JPG
They are a logic level setup so pretty much anything can run them.
They fit perfectly under the valve cover lip.
IMGP9431.JPG
A small bracket and you're good to go.
Cheers
Fred


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(6469 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: How to pick ignition coils (for use w/ MS3 etc.)
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: April 16, 2014 09:27AM

Not bad Fred. Logic level you say? That's ideal for the MS I am thinking. What sort of bracket are you planning to use? And about how much do they run? A bit of info on the connector would be nice too and whether or not the connector bodies and crimp pins are available or we're stuck with junkyard pigtails.

Jim
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