kstevusa kelly stevenson Southern Middle Tennessee (985 posts) Registered: 10/25/2007 09:37AM Main British Car: 2003 Jaguar XK8 Coupe 4.2L DOHC/ VVT / 6sp. AT |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Byron, you can google (US) for replacement pumps (In Tank EFI) at better price I think. try APE usa or- Auto Performance Engineering as they are called or TRE Performance fuel pumps. They seem to have reasonable prices and quality pumps. Maybe I miss understood and you need a regular pump but most of our cars are modified and many are EFI now. Hope this is some help.
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Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
My car has a 2003 GM 3400 fuel injected engine.
I set it up with an inline fuel pump. Going to a in tank fuel pump would be an enormous amount of work. Cheers Byron |
kstevusa kelly stevenson Southern Middle Tennessee (985 posts) Registered: 10/25/2007 09:37AM Main British Car: 2003 Jaguar XK8 Coupe 4.2L DOHC/ VVT / 6sp. AT |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
YES, but possibly less work than trying to get the in line to work properly. I tried an inline pump but was never happy with it. You think buying a new tank and then cutting a large hole in it was a leap of faith :-). yes, but I've never had a moments problem with it. Do it now or Do It Later, less expensive to do it now.
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
In tank all the way Byron.
In line high pressure pumps suffer from cavitation which kills them quickly. They pull fuel so hard from the tank that it "boils" in the feed line. Mounting it close to the tank. Something like 6" away, keeping it below the minimum fuel level and using an absurdly large supply line (1/2" or better) will help in the short term To make it live you need to plumb in a low pressure supply pump. The best place to mount that is....... in your tank. So, put the high pressure pump in there instead and live happily ever after. Live like you mean it. Fred |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Thanks Fred I appreciate your advice. I checked the TR6's in the "How it was done section" and I saw one that had an in tank pump retro-fitted into the original TR6 gas tank. I have contacted him to find out the make and model and to see if it had to be modified to work in the TR6 gas tank.
"Sigh" just when you think the big stuff is all over....... Cheers Byron |
minorv8 Jukka Harkola (269 posts) Registered: 04/08/2009 06:50AM Main British Car: Morris Minor Rover V8 |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
I ran a similar inline Walbro for years in my turbo Mini. It has twin tanks feeding the pump. The pump is fitted just below the tanks. The car has a sealed HIF44 with return line. The fuel pressure regulator is a boost referenced Lotus Esprit type Malpassi. The retun line runs to the inlet side of the pump. The system sounds weird but works great. Originally the car had a typical Bosch Efi pump.
However I managed to kill the pump simply due to not running the car and having 5 years old gasoline in the system. Not only pump but the hoses and carb needed complete overhaul. I cut the dead pump apart to see what was the problem and the contact surface at the brushes was all varnished black. After cleaning it ran great... apart from the body being cut of course :-) |
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Orange Alpine Bill Blue (45 posts) Registered: 12/20/2010 07:36AM Main British Car: 1967 Sunbeam Alpine 2.5 Ford Duratec |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
I'm using a 1985 Ford Mustang fuel pump. OE application was in the tank, but it does quite nicely working inline and the price is right.
As to inline or intank/fuel intake, all that is controlled by the location and design of the fuel intake, not pump location. Bill |
danmas Dan Masters Alcoa, Tennessee (578 posts) Registered: 10/28/2007 12:11AM Main British Car: 1974 MGBGT Ford 302 |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Quote: FWIW, I've had an inline pump on mine for 7 years with no problems. It may fail tomorrow, but so far, so good. It is noisy. Perhaps an in-tank would be quieter. |
DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
In the carburated world where the fuel pump is stressed roughly 800% less. Inline pumps work ok.
But they still have issues with noise, early wear and vapor lock. High pressure EFI systems are a different deal altogether. The pump works much harder and needs every advantage that it can get. You haven't seen inline pumps in the OEM world for decades now. And for good reason. Intank pumps are quieter, last longer, safer and perform better. In line pumps certainly can be made to work. But if given the choice why not do it a better way? Cheers Fred |
danmas Dan Masters Alcoa, Tennessee (578 posts) Registered: 10/28/2007 12:11AM Main British Car: 1974 MGBGT Ford 302 |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Quote: FWIW, I have fuel injection. The. In-line pump was included in the FI kit from Edelbrock. |
DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
I ain't tryin to cause no trouble......
Just relaying what I run into every day. Clearly your system was well installed Dan. And I wasn't meaning to knock it. Cheers Fred |
danmas Dan Masters Alcoa, Tennessee (578 posts) Registered: 10/28/2007 12:11AM Main British Car: 1974 MGBGT Ford 302 |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Quote: Didn't take it that way. I value your opinion more than I do most. Dan |
kstevusa kelly stevenson Southern Middle Tennessee (985 posts) Registered: 10/25/2007 09:37AM Main British Car: 2003 Jaguar XK8 Coupe 4.2L DOHC/ VVT / 6sp. AT |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
You guys are making us Sick :-) As Rhett Butler would say,"Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a Damn"
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Orange Alpine Bill Blue (45 posts) Registered: 12/20/2010 07:36AM Main British Car: 1967 Sunbeam Alpine 2.5 Ford Duratec |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
800% less. Just how much is that? 100% less means we have achieved zero. Does 800% less mean the fuel flow turns the pump into a generator and charges the battery?
Bill |
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Oh come on Kelly..........Group hug .........anyone?
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kstevusa kelly stevenson Southern Middle Tennessee (985 posts) Registered: 10/25/2007 09:37AM Main British Car: 2003 Jaguar XK8 Coupe 4.2L DOHC/ VVT / 6sp. AT |
Re: Electric Fuel Pump Failure
Made in Jest, I know, Fred
Yes, that GM pump will probably fuel you engine. I had a 98 Malibu with the similar configuration. Removed the nylon lines an used Aeroquip SS 3/8 and dedicated EFI hose clamps. On Dyno pull. the A/F ratio was almost flat across the band at 14.3 to 1. No evidence of fuel starvation on my 5.0L Ford. RIP |