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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 06, 2022 05:19PM

Jim Weise says David and Brian are good to go on V8Buick.


Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
RTP, North Carolina
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1972 MGB-GT (working on a Sebring project) Buick 300-4 V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 10:02AM

Hello everyone,

I’m new here and planning my engine build (for a MGB-GT Sebring project). I have a Buick 300-4 (aluminum heads and 4 BBL intake). Was planning a non-stroker with the original crankshaft and the following:
- Intake manifold ported and converted using Doc’s dual plane approach
- Holley 650 4 bbl carb
- Original cast iron exhaust manifolds ported, polished and ceramic coated (inside and out)
- 502032 Crower “performance” cam
- .030 cylinder overbore
- Nascar 6.320 connecting rods with Ford Turbo 2.3 flat top pistons—estimated 10.3 compression ratio

Before I commit to this approach, I wonder if anyone has any idea the approximate power difference between my plan and a stroker build using the Buick 350 crankshaft? I realize I’d need to change the pistons (currently looking at some Chrysler V6 flat top pistons with a lower compression height, which I’ll have to hone slightly for the Ford wrist pins)—the goal is a similar 10.3 compression or so.

Also, IF I were to acquire a 350 crank, I see most of them are reground—will that cause any issues with rod bearings for my Nascar rods (which are supposedly 2.0” with bearings)? Any other issues with a stroker build that makes it a lot harder than keeping the original crank and lower CID?
Thanks everyone.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Registered:
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 10:50AM

Eric, Maybe 50HP and 50TQ depending on cam. I'd go up one on the cam. The stock exhaust manifolds won't fit. There are some Rover ones that may but you will have to use a different ujoint on the steering, You can get undersize bearings the same as the rod journals on the crank. What piston are you thinking about trying?



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 11:08AM

Rover exhaust manifolds:
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Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
RTP, North Carolina
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1972 MGB-GT (working on a Sebring project) Buick 300-4 V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 11:14AM

Thanks Jim! Your insight is really appreciated. 50 is definitely a number that makes this worth considering. I guessed I should have also asked what the total HP/TQ numbers might also be, as I want to make sure I'm not going to destroy my transmission (a Tremec 3650--supposedly a lot stronger than a WC T5, but still has its limits). Good to know on the exhaust manifolds, too. The pistons I'm looking at are Chrysler/Dodge minivan 3.8 V6 flat top (3.78 bore and 1.283 compression height). I haven't spent too much time looking at whether the pistons or block deck might need a bit of milling, but it seems to be close (and I'm sure the choice of head gasket will affect the quench number, too). The piston pin hole is a bit smaller than the Ford size (.901 vs .912), but I was thinking that I could use Ford pins and have the piston holes honed to fit.
Chrysler 3.8 V6 Piston.jpg


Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 11:15AM

Jim, in your opinion, which of those two Rover manifolds would flow better? And are the shiny ones aluminum? That might be nice, too.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 11:29AM

Sounds like a plan. I try to build one HP per cubic inch for a strong street motor . 350HP and about 400 TQ if done right. Your transmission will be fine, What length are your rods again? Shiny ones are probably Jet Hot coated. They are also Tri Y design. Two pipes go down from them to a Y on each side. The top one is more conventional,



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 11:42AM

TS import big bore RV8 headers:
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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 12:01PM

I ran those pistons on the calculator and they are .020 below deck and 10.8 . If you remove the lug in the chamber you would be 10.5. Looks good.



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Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
RTP, North Carolina
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1972 MGB-GT (working on a Sebring project) Buick 300-4 V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 12:15PM

Jim, thanks for running those numbers. I am not an expert on engine design, obviously. I have done some reading and I read that ideal "quench" clearance seems to be .040" With the pistons .020" below the deck and a composite head gasket, will that give me this optimal quench? Of course, also removing the lug you mentioned.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 12:23PM

Quench doesn't factor with open chambers like the 300 heads, If you used the later Rover with 29cc chamber or the TA heads I would try to get Quench. Small wedge chambers need Quench. Open chamber and Hemi's do not. With high compression small chamber heads with Quench are less detonation prone. If you want a little lower compression unshroud the valves on the outside and clean up around the spark plug hole. Probably get it down to 10.2. 10.5 with aluminum heads is about the same as 9.5 with iron as for detonation. You can retard your cam 4 degrees and lower your Dynamic compression. I would still run pump premium.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 12:30PM

Interesting discussion on open chamber vs closed chamber and Quench:

[www.tapatalk.com]?


Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
RTP, North Carolina
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1972 MGB-GT (working on a Sebring project) Buick 300-4 V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 12:52PM

Jim,

Learn something new every day--I had no idea that quench related to the shape of the combustion chamber. Thanks for setting me straight.

It seems like I need to keep my eyes open for a good late (?) 350 crank. Do you have an opinion on whether these cranks need heat treating after the mains are ground so much?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 12:58PM

Eric I added a little to the thread above. Not heat treated but I would polish the journals. The oiling holes move a little and need to be moved over to center, I would take the 300 crank to the machineshop so they can compare.


Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 01:19PM

Again, great advice. Thanks. Sounds like with my aluminum heads, I could run 10.5 assuming I ran pump premium (which I plan to do, anyway. I could even run Sunoco 93, if necessary). But perhaps, unshrouding the valves and cleaning up around the spark plugs is not a bad idea, anyway.



BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: February 07, 2022 02:48PM

In addition to turning down the mains 1/2" you will need to thin down the oil slinger to fit the 300 block. The rear seal journal should be ground just enough to remove the hash marks if using neoprene seals.

Jim


Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
RTP, North Carolina
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Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 03:29PM

Thanks Jim,

Is there a list anywhere of all the things needed to do the 350 stroker properly?


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 04:25PM

Other than the crank mods and different stroke everything is the same as the 300. V6 3 keyway roller timing set and front seal. Best Gasket co make a specific 300 neoprene rear seal. I have heard the V6 rear seal works but haven't tried it. 350 HEI distributor works. There is an MSD offshore clone distributor on Ebay that Clinton used on his 300 build. Search on the MGexperience Swaps board for a lot of Chris's stroker info and Clifton's 300 build. V8Buick board too. Jim B and I are on all these boards with info.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 07, 2022 04:29PM

This chart is helpful, rod bearing clearance is wrong though. Should be .0007-.0015 same as mains:

[www.teambuick.com]



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Airwreckc
Eric Cumming
RTP, North Carolina
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1972 MGB-GT (working on a Sebring project) Buick 300-4 V8

Re: 300 Stroker questions?
Posted by: Airwreckc
Date: February 07, 2022 05:42PM

Great, thanks!
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