mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2482 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Jim, You may want 1.65 installed for .550 lift with .030 before coil bind. 1.6 only gives .530 before coil bind.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6508 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Yep you are right. I'm back to looking for .050" retainers. Any ideas on that? (or even .100" retainers for that matter)
Jim |
mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2482 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Jim, just Chevy style for the single groove. The short Rover valves are the issue. The longer 75-76 Oddfire valve would work fine plus they are bigger, 1.62 IN and 1.42 EX. Would need 2 more IN and 2 more EX.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6508 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
So, what is it, the retainers are not available in +.050", only the keepers are? So then I'd need to modify +.050" 7mm keepers by removing the locking ridge?
Just want to be sure what the plan is before I order the parts. Jim |
mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2482 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Jim, There are some double spring retainers that are +.050 but not beehive. most are 7 degrees too. Found this one .731 ID measurement:
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1385 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Why not just machine the needed keeper groove into the valve stem and use the 7mm keepers.
Almost any lathe could do it in just a few minutes. If you took the end of the valve stem down to 7mm you could put the keeper groove in a better position to accommodate your installed height. |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6508 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
I was wondering how using the 7mm keepers affects installed height? Stands to reason being for a smaller diameter valve that the taper of the 7mm keeper should be a smaller diameter than the taper of the OEM keeper and that would let the retainer sit higher on the valve stem. Has anyone looked at this? It could make it a whole lot easier to use the available beehive springs.
Jim |
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1385 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Pac carries beehive retainers to fit their 7mm keepers.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6508 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Yes but if the 7mm keepers are used with the 11/32" retainers like the CC 795's it would seem likely that they would sit lower in the retainer. How much lower is the question. We think if we can remove the projecting lock they will work with the large groove 11/32" valves. This would let us use a taller spring like (possibly) the 1276X.
Jim |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Well as an update I only just received the sample retainer snd locks yesterday, and still haven’t received the spring. Fast shipping would appear to not be a PAC attribute. I’ll measure up tonight.
As regards modifying the valve stem, I don’t have tooling to hold it in my shop lathe. May get away with the exhaust but can’t put it in a 5c collet as they are only a 1” ish ID as I recall. I’d really need to make some large soft jaws. If I hadn’t already purchased these valves, and had them back cut and everything else for my heads, I’d probably just be getting slightly longer valves and custom pushrods . I may still go that way if the machining of the locks becomes tedious - or if it’s just going to be difficult to get adequate installed height. |
mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2482 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Dave, You drilled out the ridge in the keeper so it fit the same as stock? The + .050 or + .100 would only make a difference if you grooved the valve?
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Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Ugh, yep. That’s what happens if you’re tired and try to get something out without thinking properly!!!!
You’re absolutely right, I got myself mixed up. That only refers to the keeper groove positions in the keeper, so ignore all the stuff about trying different keepers. The important reference is the dimension showing how much lower this ends up compared to the stock setup. It’s not great….. I think I’m back to modifying the retainer to 11 degrees. Still need to figure out a spring pocket cutter mind…. The Comp 4716 is 1.320 x 0.630. That would allow me to grind the ID out to ,720 and the OD down to whatever. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2023 10:24AM by turbodave. |
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6508 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Well I didn't expect that. Going the wrong way isn't it? OK well my pieces of carbide came in, it looks like making the reamer is in my future. Might as well order the retainers I guess. Honestly though it'll be less fiddly to ream the retainers than the keepers. At least that's a pretty simple lathe or drill press operation once the reamer is made. You could single point it in the lathe as well of course and that would be an easier setup once the right tool is in hand, but overall a slower operation. Might be possible to cut deeper to get more on the spring height also. Provided there is enough wall thickness this sounds like the way to go.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6508 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Dave, depends on the cost but yeah why not? I don't see any need to machine the top of the retainer though. It's below the valve tip and the roller is below the body of the rockers so there's no way they are ever going to make contact.
Jim |
mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2482 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
I've read you want .050 rocker to retainer clearance. Everything moves around after 7000RPM.
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mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2482 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Max valve size for 4.0/4.6 heads?
Comp Cams Beehive specs:
[www.amazon.com] Bottom of page 26918 would work for Jim at 1.65 height. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2023 11:34AM by mgb260. |