BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
I'm just getting ready to machine the base plates for the paired rocker sets to go on my TA heads and was wondering if it might make sense to try and adapt those to the Rover heads as well. I know Volvo rockers have been used in the past as well as the Harland Sharp rockers and have been watching the discussion about the Olds heads but don't know how the rocker shaft sizes stack up. What's the latest thinking on this?
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mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2463 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
JIm, set the rocker height at 1/2 lift for smaller wipe on the valve stem. Should be level with retainer so if you drew a line from center of roller through center of trunion. Rocker stand height determines this.
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roverman Art Gertz Winchester, CA. (3188 posts) Registered: 04/24/2009 11:02AM Main British Car: 74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Closer to edge at start of lift ? Well maybe... Load on rocker/ push rod, is quite low compared to full lift.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Looked at the heads again, the rocker pairs are a no-go. The TA head has twice the number of bolts to hold the base plate down and the locations are better. The bolts would fail, it's been attempted before. Guess the full shaft rockers are the only option. Haven't looked at the Rover rockers yet to see if adjusters could be substituted for the hardened tips.
Jim |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
It's an interesting idea but those use a 9/16" shaft so that's going up something like 1/4"? Might be enough metal left, I'll have to look. Also have to get some suitable caged roller bearings but a good thought.
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mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2463 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Jim, a lot of roller tip rockers just have a bronze bushing. I'd be tempted to just use the rocker itself and lube with Moly grease when installed.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
That's worth considering. Looks like the bearing OD is about 3/4" which means bored/reamed to the shaft diameter would take out another .050-1/16" which would be acceptable. That means using the aluminum of the rocker as the bushing but these heads do have the pressure shaft oiling port and so do the 300 and 340 blocks so it's just a matter of making sure the head gaskets have the hole. Lots of engines used an aluminum or light alloy rocker with no bushing. It'll eventually wear out the rocker but will continue to work. So that would be one option, to modify a set of the paired rockers.
Another option would be to find individual rockers (right and left) for a larger shaft. It seems like there would be something out there that would work without too much fiddling. Jim |
mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2463 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Maybe big block Mopar. May be too wide and shaft is bigger at .875".
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DiDueColpi Fred Key West coast - Canada (1365 posts) Registered: 05/14/2010 03:06AM Main British Car: I really thought that I'd be an action figure by now! |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
BB Mopar sadly won’t work.
The body is far too wide at 1.560 inches. You might get away with thinning them down but it would be sketchy for sure. I have a good sized selection of roller tipped rockers from my quest for the perfect Rover replacement. Haven’t found anything that makes me happy yet. None of the later performance rockers that I’ve seen use a needle bearing anymore. They all use a bushing or ride on the base metal that they are made from. |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Good to know Fred. I just checked the shafts on these heads and they are the .805" diameter mentioned earlier. I guess a plain bearing makes sense, from an oil pressure standpoint anyway.
These Procomp rockers I got in that paired chevy kit are .900" wide Jim Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/09/2022 04:56PM by BlownMGB-V8. |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
.840"
These are .060" wider so .030" removed from the side of the pedestal should put it in the same position, might not even need to do that much. Here's one that might be worth trying with the stock rocker shafts: [www.ebay.com] They look similar to the kit I bought but you wouldn't be paying for the extra hardware that you wouldn't be using. A little hard to tell but it looks like they probably do have the left/right offset. I think I might use the procomps I have on the Rover heads. The shaft bearings and clip were the cause of the reported failures and that would get rid of that. The TA heads have 1 stud per valve like chevy so this might be a better choice for them: [www.ebay.com] Jim |
mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2463 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Jim, First link, one rocker is straight and one offset. In the second link you don't want 3/8" stud you want 7/16". Pushrod oiling is recommended for roller rockers anyway.
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mgb260 Jim Nichols Sequim,WA (2463 posts) Registered: 02/29/2008 08:29PM Main British Car: 1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8 |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
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MGBV8 Carl Floyd Kingsport, TN (4512 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 11:32PM Main British Car: 1979 MGB Buick 215 |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
Thirty years ago. I put a big solid lift cam in my 350. Switched to 7/16" screw in rocker studs & Harlan Sharp roller rockers. Figured with the 7/16" studs that I could forego the stud girdles. Did fine.
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BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
What exactly is the purpose of the guide plates? Can't be to center the pushrods in the holes. Is it to center the rollers over the valve tips?
Jim |
BlownMGB-V8 Jim Blackwood 9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042 (6469 posts) Registered: 10/23/2007 12:59PM Main British Car: 1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS |
Re: Adjustable rockers for the late Rover (rollers?)
OK if I go that route then I just need to find the stud set. Shouldn't be hard. Sounds like about $200 in rockers, studs and guide plates. Then bore out the procomp rockers to fit the shafts for the Rover heads. Cool. Means I don't have to machine up the new base plates for the rocker pairs.
Jim Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/12/2022 01:10PM by BlownMGB-V8. |