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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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74' Jensen Healy, 79 Huff. GT 1, 74 MGB Lotus 907,2L

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs? Got aluminum ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: August 11, 2010 12:24PM

I'm seein a lot of "heft" in these photos. Mazda mid 80's+, RX-7 an maybe Miata , nice/strong alum. hub, 5 on 4.5" 1.3/8" inner bear id. Nice alum. 4 pot caliper(same). US. Brake 11" x .810" vented rotor,uses a hat, $40 up. Got more $'s ? Willwood ? Good Luck, roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: August 11, 2010 06:06PM

Art, The GM hubs are probably lighter than stock MGB and use the same bearings. I don't know about the RX7 hubs. I will have to look at them. I do like the calipers; they have been used on 300ZX rotors and are similar to the later 350Z calipers. Will only work with .88 or so thick rotors.The bolt pattern is good but I don't know about bearing spacing or size.You might be able to bore the race holes or use different races for the right bearings. I do know you are partial to aluminum. The Camaro/Firebird/Corvette calipers are aluminum. You wouldn't use the stock iron brackets, slider bolts like aftermarket Metric or S-10 caliper mounts.Plus, the 12", 1.25" thicker rotor would be heavier but less likely to warp.



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DC Townsend
David Townsend
Vermont
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'78 B (almost done) 30-over SBF, dry sump

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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: DC Townsend
Date: August 11, 2010 06:12PM

This thread just keeps getting better. When it comes down to actually putting this stuff together, looks like there will be some choices to make. It's good to have options.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs? RX-7 rotors ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: August 11, 2010 07:46PM

Probably adequate for most sports cars, lighter than RX-7's. Oops, RX-7 is 1.499" and .787" on bearing id's. Like I said STRONG. Alum. bush the hubs down to preferred bearing ? roverman.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: August 11, 2010 07:49PM

"...an maybe Miata"

I believe only the latest generation Miata sports 5 lugs/wheel. The 1989-2005 were 4 X 100.


roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?/Miata spindles ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: August 12, 2010 10:52AM

Story I heard is Miata is SLA. vs. strut ? I don't suspect many of us would convert from short/long a-arms to struts, maybe hard core drag racing. roverman.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?/Miata spindles ?
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: August 12, 2010 06:17PM

Correct, all Miatas are SLA.



mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: January 18, 2011 07:58PM

A bump for those interested in Chevy bolt pattern Big Brakes.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 19, 2011 01:47PM

So is there a car that uses an aluminum hub with a 5 lug 4.750" bolt circle (Chevy and Jaguar) pattern?

JB


roverman
Art Gertz
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 29, 2011 08:53PM

Jim B., Yes C5 Corvette, for sure. Don't know about C4 . I've used "larger shoulder" studs, in off-set boring operation, to move the BC. Good Luck, roverman.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: January 30, 2011 12:06PM

Sounds interesting Art, I wonder if they used the same bearings as the rest of the Chevy line. What did they use for brake rotors?

JB


roverman
Art Gertz
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?/Miata spindles ?
Posted by: roverman
Date: January 31, 2011 07:38PM

Jim and clan, big gnarly ones, like used on a serious, 3k lb. GT machine. 1.25x 12-13" ? I'm going with Wilwood, 2" dropped , Mustang II, forged spindles,(3x on strength), and bolt-on steering arms,(front/rear steer).Aftermarket crossmember for coil-overs,(QA-1/remote control). Cheers, roverman.


mgb260
Jim Nichols
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 01, 2011 04:21AM

Jim, Picture of Camaro LS brakes:
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BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: February 01, 2011 12:06PM

Those certainly look like they'd work, but after a bit of reading it looks like C4 brakes might be the way to go. About a 7/8" (.81") thick rotor instead of 1-1/4" (lighter) 12" diameter instead of 13" (lighter, and still larger than stock) but it uses a single pot sliding caliper which is OK, but not great. I see the Mazda calipers like a .88" rotor, or .070" thicker. Might be able to mill down the mating face that much, or it might be within the minimum specified rotor thickness.

Or... Speedway has hats for $30 each, steel 2lbs (or Wilwood aluminum for $80) and rotors for $25 ea. That's an 8 lb (same weight as Wilwood) 11.75 x .81" rotor and a 3" offset on the hat. Not too shabby for new parts. Of course the hat is reusable so the extra cost to add lightness may be justified but 100 bucks for 2 to 3 lbs? That's getting pricey. Triple lug pattern which can be handy. For $60/pair the steel hats are an easy purchase and easily upgraded later if desired. So $110 for a medium-lightweight rotor set or $210 for the lightest. Or stock C4 rotors for about $80 which sounds pretty good, and available at parts stores everywhere but undoubtedly heavier, perhaps as much as nearly 16 lbs each like the Intrepid rotors on the other thread. (Are we beginning to see where the 80 lb weight loss of the Fast cars IFS comes from yet?)

The best compromise sounds like the Speedway rotors and hats with the RX7 caliper (about $65 ea reman with pads). for a total cost of around $250 plus mounting brackets. Not too shabby and also lighter than stock I'm pretty sure.

Art, those C5 hubs appear to use cartridge bearings so they won't work with MG spindles at all. Good try though. The Camaro guys are cutting down rotor/hub assemblies to work with the C4 and C5 rotors so there's no help to be found there. Jaguar apparently changed lug bolt circles when they were bought by Ford, creating a quagmire. Do any of the Japanese cars use a 4-3/4" bolt circle?

JB



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roverman
Art Gertz
Winchester, CA.
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: roverman
Date: February 01, 2011 01:46PM

Jim and clan, I've bushed spindle dia's-larger, and ground spindles smaller,(tool post grinder).I've welded/re-machined, Porsche 911 front hubs, for 4.75 bc.'s,(Vette turbine wheels on 914)." Dorman" makes gaggles of wheel studs, with oversize shoulders,(hint).Good Luck, roverman.



mgb260
Jim Nichols
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 01, 2011 01:46PM

Jim, Just make .035 shims for the RX7 calipers. Or even more to fine tune.My 86-91 ones had shims stock,the slot is 1" wide.They go between the pads and pistons. Use the pads for a pattern,the holes for the slider pins keep them in. You would need 7/8"-15/16" master. Would work good, very light. Did you see the 92-95 ones painted Alfa Romeo on the other thread? Also a pic on the 4 lug thread of the 86-91 Mazda caliper on hat and rotor setup(note spacer to widen it out for 1 1/4" rotor). I just ordered rebuild kit from Mazdatrix for $40 for both calipers(my junkyard jewels). Doesn't include 2 small O rings that seal the halves.Still have to buy Ceramic pads. So your price for reman is a great deal! I'm out $145 and I have to rebuild them($70-calipers,$40-kit,$35-pads)!



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 01, 2011 04:21PM

Jim, According to Centric specs, C4 12" rotor weighs 14lb.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: February 01, 2011 04:25PM

Chances are good it'd work just fine, the only real concern might be the pad's backing plate slipping into the rotor slot if all the pad was worn off. If you've let it go that long there's no brakes left anyway. The pins wouldn't let them go too far I guess.

On those Mazda calipers, is it possible to pull the pins and slip the pads out the back of the caliper? That is to say, would it be possible to swap the pads without unbolting the caliper from the mount? Some BMW calipers were made that way and it would be a very handy feature to have. Very nice paint work on those "Alfa" calipers btw Jim, those were right sharp.

The $65 calipers were an ebay special, no core required. Painted silver. I might just have to buy a pair of those.

JB


mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 01, 2011 04:36PM

Yes Jim, The Mazda and Toyota have a spring wire to lock the pins in. You can change the pads by pulling the pins. My Mazda calipers had 3 thin shims on each side,looked exactly like pad backing plate but thinner.They can't move because they are pinned through, just like the pads. I'll get a pic of them.You can see in the 4 lug thread picture the pad wear looked pretty even.



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mgb260
Jim Nichols
Sequim,WA
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1973 MGB roadster 260 Ford V8

Re: 5-lug Front Hubs?
Posted by: mgb260
Date: February 01, 2011 09:17PM

Pics of shims, first shim toward piston stainless, angled with arrow(anti-squeal?)other 2 plain rusty steel, all about same thickness. Looks about .030. 3 on each side both calipers. Maybe to adjust to rotor after rotor is turned or these calipers were designed for thicker rotors. The slot is exactly 1" wide where the Toyota is 7/8".
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