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Paul Schils
Fredonia, WI
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12/13/2007 10:27AM

Main British Car:
1973 MGB-GT, Buick 215 1971 MGB RD, SBF 302

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: psmg
Date: July 28, 2023 10:47AM

The big improvement with electric power steering ,along with what everyone has mentioned , is the total lack of vibration and harsh steering wheel movement while traveling. I'm much less tired after long trips, similar to current automobiles. This is welcome the older you get.

I have fabricated and installed EPS on my MGB , my MGA and my Fiero and am very pleased with each installation. Thanks to Mike Moor for starting this improvement.


302GT
Larry Shimp

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11/17/2007 01:13PM

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1968 MGB GT Ford 302 crate engine

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: 302GT
Date: July 30, 2023 03:00PM

I just removed the caster wedges from the front crossmember and so the caster is back to 6 degrees. The improvement is noticeable in that the steering feels more precise now, with some more feedback. The Moss quick ratio rack I have seems ideal for use with this set up.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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10/23/2007 11:32PM

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1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: July 31, 2023 09:29PM

That also gives you back your camber gain that you lost.


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: August 01, 2023 07:59AM

Of course it should be kept in mind that Larry is running the Hoyle front suspension. Whether his results will cross to a stock king pin suspension or not is an open question.

Also, shameless plug here for Mike Moor's EPS conversion, as it remains the easiest way to do this and works very well.

Jim


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Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: August 01, 2023 09:50AM

Hoyle still uses kingpins. Not that that matters. Negative camber gain is the direct result of the amount of positive caster when the suspension is compressed.


302GT
Larry Shimp

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: 302GT
Date: August 05, 2023 08:45AM

Carl is correct; one of my motives to install the power steering was to be able to take advantage of the camber gain with the stock caster angle. The rear suspension grips so well there was always some understeer with the caster wedges, this is now gone as I hoped it would be. I did experiment with negative camber on the front suspension but that has too many compromises.

I also agree that Mike Moors' steering is a fine alternative. A short drive in his car two years ago convinced me that I could be happy with power steering, but I also wanted to try the speed sensitive feature.


302GT
Larry Shimp

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: 302GT
Date: August 16, 2023 08:27AM

This picture shows the relative sizes of the Yaris (left) and Prius (right) EPS units.
Yaris vs Prius.jpg



Scott68B
Scott Costanzo
Columbus, Ohio
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10/25/2007 11:30AM

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1968 MGB GM 5.3 LS4 V8

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Scott68B
Date: August 26, 2023 10:04PM

I'm a little late to the party but I started to disassemble my dash in prep for adding EPS this afternoon. I was intrigued with the Yaris unit and that's what I got this week. It's a non-ABS unit. The main reason I went this route is because you can add a VSS signal and the unit is supposed to run like factory......less boost at higher speeds. There is a good writeup on this site:

[mgaguru.com]

Based on the above article,  I can confirm that the unit requires VSS pulses to become active. The easiest way for me to test it was temporarily wiring it into my car to get access to a VSS signal. The article says it requires 5 pulses to become active, which is roughly 6' with a GM system. So backing out of a parking space should get you there. I'm anxious to get it installed to see how it performs in the B. One of the things I wasn't aware of was the damping these units apply to the steering when going down the road. The article talks about this in detail. I had considered installing a VW steering damper at one point so I'm looking forward to experiencing this as well.

I hope to be closer by this time next week and I'll update everyone here when I have more to report.

On a related note, my wife has a 2015 Corolla with EPS. It has good self-centering, FYI. I believe it only has about 3 degrees of caster.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: August 27, 2023 09:47AM

Quote:
I can confirm that the unit requires VSS pulses to become active. The easiest way for me to test it was temporarily wiring it into my car to get access to a VSS signal. The article says it requires 5 pulses to become active, which is roughly 6' with a GM system. So backing out of a parking space should get you there.

So, if you are parallel parked, you are SOL? That is when one would need it the most. ;)


BlownMGB-V8
Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: August 27, 2023 02:14PM

Good question Carl. Are you there Larry?
On a related note, my alignment check showed caster of just barely under 7 degrees after installing the reverse caster wedges. They are about 3/8" tapering to maybe a 32nd or less. With the Prius EPS self centering is pretty much non existent.

Jim


Dan B
Dan Blackwood
South Charleston, WV
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1966 TR4A, 1980 TR7 Multiport EFI MegaSquirt on the TR4A. Lexus V8 pl

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Dan B
Date: August 31, 2023 03:50PM

I pulled this off a YARIS yesterday at a local yard.
Yaris column.png


Scott68B
Scott Costanzo
Columbus, Ohio
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1968 MGB GM 5.3 LS4 V8

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Scott68B
Date: August 31, 2023 07:44PM

Dan, is it from an ABS or non-ABS car? Is it a winter project or are you trying to install it before Townsend?


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: September 01, 2023 09:39AM

What year, Dan?


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Dan Blackwood
South Charleston, WV
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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Dan B
Date: September 01, 2023 05:36PM

2012. I don't think it was ABS. What difference does that make?


Dan B
Dan Blackwood
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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Dan B
Date: September 01, 2023 05:39PM

I have a 81 TR7 parts car out by the barn with briars and crap growing all around it. I should be able to get the column out of it and then we can see how much difference there is between the MG and TR7. Hopefully I have a little more room to work with.



Scott68B
Scott Costanzo
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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Scott68B
Date: September 01, 2023 07:06PM

Dan, not sure if your unit is the same as the one I have but it sure looks like it is. They say 2006-2011 for the Yaris but that might be what was known at the time the post I looked at was created. If it is the same as mine, non-ABS, you'll need to either give it a VSS signal or put power to pin D31-5 to get it to work. If not, then you'll be running in limp mode. Read the link I posted a couple of posts ago. It has a bunch of information about the Yaris EPS including the wiring.


MGBV8
Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: September 02, 2023 10:29AM

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2012. I don't think it was ABS. What difference does that make?

Tsk, tsk. you haven't been doing your reading assignment, Dan. ;)

You may be okay. We will see. Go back & read (or re-read) Larry Shimp's posts.


Dan B
Dan Blackwood
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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Dan B
Date: September 11, 2023 04:22PM

Scott wrote: "If it is the same as mine, non-ABS, you'll need to either give it a VSS signal or put power to pin D31-5 to get it to work."

I do have a sensor (magnets attached to the driveshaft) that I installed long ago with the cruise control. Not using with the cruise, since I am using tach signal for that. I wonder if it would work with the EPS box.


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Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: September 12, 2023 12:29AM

Hard to say. VSS sensors typically have a considerably higher pulse rate.

Jim


Scott68B
Scott Costanzo
Columbus, Ohio
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1968 MGB GM 5.3 LS4 V8

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Re: Electric Power Steering
Posted by: Scott68B
Date: September 12, 2023 07:24AM

Quote:
I do have a sensor (magnets attached to the driveshaft) that I installed long ago with the cruise control. Not using with the cruise, since I am using tach signal for that. I wonder if it would work with the EPS box.

Dan, that's convenient and it should work. In the article I linked to, the guy used a 4 tooth reluctor located on his differential flange to run his unit.

I'm hoping to have mine ready by the end of this week.
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