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Curtis Jacobson
Portland Oregon
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10/12/2007 02:16AM

Main British Car:
71 MGBGT, Buick 215

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Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: Moderator
Date: March 09, 2025 04:18AM

I've been thinking about reducing rear axle and suspension weight. MGB's dual battery boxes, though very admirably tucked low and rearward, seemed to block my progress toward a lighter suspension. How could I get between them to install brackets, etc.? Besides, everything about the battery installation seemed way overweight compared to what I've seen in racing paddocks. So here are some snapshots to show what I've recently done about it.

I've installed a Braille B2015 absorbed glass mat battery in lieu of my old Duralast size 26R-DL lead-acid battery. Since AGM batteries are sealed, they can be mounted inside the cabin, cool and clean. My new brackets are simple steel fabrications. The original battery boxes have been entirely removed.

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Here you can see the protective cover I fashioned from some scrap stainless steel. Footroom is very minimally compromised. I might put a rubber pad on the cover, so it can function as a dead pedal.

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"Because racecar"?

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Short, simple cable routing leads to an amperage-sipping gear reduction starter, sourced from Ted Schumacher.

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Here's a close-up of a Volvo Truck firewall passthrough. I think every single truck they've built in 30 years has used one of these, so they should be easy to find in truck scrapyards. As you can see, it comes with weather sealing o-ring and a robust boot. Bonus: it's a convenient power tap and jumpstart stud.

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Results?

what       before       after       difference      
1 Battery 29.0# 14.0# 15.0#
2 Starter 21.8# 8.0# 13.8#
3 Cables 2.2# 0.8# 1.4#
4 Bracketry and cover*       6.6# 1.0# 5.6#
Sums 59.6# 23.8# 35.8#


* for the comparison, I only considered the weight of removing one MGB battery box, but actually I cut out both of them.


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Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: March 09, 2025 11:01AM

Buick 300 can use the SAE SBC mini-starter, about $75 everywhere.

Jim


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Curtis Jacobson
Portland Oregon
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Main British Car:
71 MGBGT, Buick 215

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: Moderator
Date: March 10, 2025 12:33AM

I meant to mention how impressed I was by Battery Cables USA. Great service, products, and value. (They're a particularly good place to buy dual wall heat shrink!) And they delivered super-quick too.


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Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
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1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: March 11, 2025 09:20AM

I made a heavy duty cable crimper out of a chunk of steel and about 6 inches of 1/2" square stock. Drill a 1/2" hole through the steel and made a couple cuts to turn it into a slot or groove then grind a rounded chisel point on the square stock.

Lay the lug with the cable inserted into the groove, position the square stock above it as a driver and hammer the driver down to form the crimp. The driver can be turned 90 degrees to make additional cross crimps. Using a heavy hammer this can form some very good crimps. Then apply your heat shrink to seal it.

Jim


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Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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10/23/2007 11:32PM

Main British Car:
1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: March 12, 2025 08:27AM

Quote:
The original battery boxes have been entirely removed.

Of course, you have a GT, Curtis. On the roadster, those battery boxes are thought to add a some strength to the unibody.


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Curtis Jacobson
Portland Oregon
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71 MGBGT, Buick 215

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: Moderator
Date: March 12, 2025 06:46PM

I'll concede that MG engineers apparently thought there was some value in retaining modest bracing when they removed the driver-side battery box from all MGBs from 1975 onward.

However, I'm extremely skeptical that the bracing meaningfully affected torsional rigidity or crashworthiness because it's it's so very thin and also so far away from chassis pickup points, etc. Perhaps they may have been more concerned about mitigating noise and vibration. Existing embossments in that area were very minimal.

I'm definitely not the first person to ditch the boxes and trim down to very minimal bracing. This pic shows both MG's driver-side bracing and also the modest bracing Rob left when he cut out his passenger-side battery box:
https://www.britishv8.org/MG/RobFicalora/RobFicalora-HZ.JPG


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Jim Blackwood
9406 Gunpowder Rd., Florence, KY 41042
(6518 posts)

Registered:
10/23/2007 12:59PM

Main British Car:
1971 MGB Blown,Injected,Intercooled Buick 340/AA80E/JagIRS

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: BlownMGB-V8
Date: March 13, 2025 08:46AM

In addition to panel stiffness I do think it lends a bit more stiffness to the shock absorber attachment points. Note the proximity of the shock absorber humps.

Jim



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Carl Floyd
Kingsport, TN
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1979 MGB Buick 215

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Re: Less heavy battery and starter?
Posted by: MGBV8
Date: March 13, 2025 09:05AM

The floor to the battery shelf is essentially a 90 degree turn. What I see are four diagonal (sorta) reinforcing ribs. ;)


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